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Post by jd0009 on Feb 15, 2018 8:46:25 GMT -7
Need to know which way I need to go...I know we're talking a big power difference but I need something for live band and possibly stage. I already have the low wattage thing covered. Need some advice?
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Post by captainron (Ron) on Feb 15, 2018 9:43:26 GMT -7
Need to know which way I need to go...I know we're talking a big power difference but I need something for live band and possibly stage. I already have the low wattage thing covered. Need some advice? This is open to a lot of questions with subjective answers. Objectively, both amps are really great and cover a lot of ground. Live band and possibly stage? Not sure the difference or what you mean here? What kind of music will you be playing? Will you be mic'ed up or filling the room straight from amp? Ron.
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Post by jd0009 on Feb 15, 2018 10:11:41 GMT -7
Play new country and classic rock. Probably mic'ed up in bigger venue probably not in restaurant setting. Just wanting to know differences in amps. I'm sure the Lux has big head room like my old Maz 38. The Plus more like my Maz 18. I know Z watts are loud and cut through the mix pretty easy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 10:32:24 GMT -7
Z Lux. If I use my Z Plus with the rock band, I have to re-amp it through the Power Station. The DB4 usually gets the call for those situations...
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Post by captainron (Ron) on Feb 15, 2018 10:34:07 GMT -7
If you have a Dr. Z M12, and a Bad Cat Classic Cat R which has 2 6V6's then why not go for the Z-Lux for something different then you already have to cover more ground. Then sell your Bad Cat and get the Z Plus! Ron
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Post by jd0009 on Feb 15, 2018 10:50:47 GMT -7
Ron...you are reading my mind. However, I'm going to have to sell the M12 and the Bad Cat to make room close to retirement for fewer amps to convince the wife why I need a new amp like the LUX.
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Post by jd0009 on Feb 15, 2018 10:55:49 GMT -7
So in that situation....LUX or PLUS?
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Post by zpilot on Feb 15, 2018 16:49:27 GMT -7
Z-Lux. With the 1/2 power switch it should cover everything you need.
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Post by John on Feb 15, 2018 17:41:27 GMT -7
Lux
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Post by captainron (Ron) on Feb 15, 2018 18:05:24 GMT -7
Ron...you are reading my mind. However, I'm going to have to sell the M12 and the Bad Cat to make room close to retirement for fewer amps to convince the wife why I need a new amp like the LUX. Well in that case, LUX! Lux- 42lbs Plus-38lbs. (4 lbs is not a lot of difference.)
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Post by Rockerfeller on Feb 16, 2018 11:20:45 GMT -7
I have the Z Lux and I am tempted by the Z-plus. My thought on the Z-plus is that I would only use that in smaller rooms.
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Post by nicholas on Feb 17, 2018 11:42:49 GMT -7
Plus or Lux... I'm trying to figure out the same! Though my "Lux" is the original version, I feel I can add my thoughts. It's actually a very easy answer. If you are more focused on lower volume playing/practicing the Plus is hard to beat. If you typically use an attenuator because your amps are too loud, or use pedals because you can't typically get natural OD at your volume levels... Go Plus. If you don't typically have volume "issues" get the Lux. They are very similar. I play humbuckers primarily. I play loud. I think I favor the 40w version. It has more punch and a bigger fatter sound. But it's loud and doesn't sound as good with the volume controls set super low. My official answer is both
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Post by KeithA on Feb 17, 2018 12:13:41 GMT -7
Plus or Lux... I'm trying to figure out the same! Though my "Lux" is the original version, I feel I can add my thoughts. It's actually a very easy answer. If you are more focused on lower volume playing/practicing the Plus is hard to beat. If you typically use an attenuator because your amps are too loud, or use pedals because you can't typically get natural OD at your volume levels... Go Plus. If you don't typically have volume "issues" get the Lux. They are very similar. I play humbuckers primarily. I play loud. I think I favor the 40w version. It has more punch and a bigger fatter sound. But it's loud and doesn't sound as good with the volume controls set super low. My official answer is both Smart guy !
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Feb 17, 2018 14:42:23 GMT -7
I’m really loving this thread. I’m jonesing for either the zplus or zlux. I’m a big fan of deluxe reverbs so I’m drawn to the zlux. BUT - I currently have a Therapy and a Z28, and I think the plus would sit in a different sonic place where the lux might overlap the therapy a bit.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Mar 6, 2018 13:17:57 GMT -7
I have to add, I've got a Therapy and a Z-Lux. Completely different voices, the only overlap I hear is in power. Also, I've got a 1967 Blackface Deluxe Reverb and the Z-Lux is so much more than the DR. It can be set up to sound a lot like a DR, but it's just so much better! My Deluxe Reverb came out of storage for a reality check a few weeks ago and it went right back into it's cover and back in the closet. I A/B compared it to all my Z amps and there's just no comparison. And it's a good DR. It's just not a Z.
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Post by Easyrom on Aug 13, 2018 10:39:25 GMT -7
The Z-Lux is my favorite Z amp ever (so to say, it is my favorite amp ever). I’ve had a Therapy, Maz 8 (really loved this one) and Cure (which should have been a better fit to my needs, but wasn’t), but I’m very curious about the Z-Plus... Low volume really matters to me (but no « bedroom level » – I would say « neighboors level »).
But here in France, if you want to try a Z amp, you probably have to buy it first...
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Post by doctorice on Aug 13, 2018 12:31:52 GMT -7
I have both amps. As has been said, you can mic up (or re-amp) the Plus if you need to get more volume. I have been using the Plus for bar gigs and the Lux when outdoors or on stages. Before the Plus came out I used the Lux for all venues. The Lux seems, to me, inherently a bit closer to a blackface Fender tonally; the Plus has a single-end sweetness. The Lux has a lot of low end; I often run it with bass almost off. And if you want to have lots of headroom, the Lux with its 40-watt mode will deliver more than the Plus. Both work great with pedals. So, like Nick, said, have both if you can.
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Post by Easyrom on Aug 13, 2018 14:41:29 GMT -7
Thank you for the answer Mike! I’m gonna think of it for a few weeks, but may be givre it a try before Christmas. I will never let the Z-Lux go before being 100% sure I have found à better fit to my needs, and I can’t swear I will not keep both! (I have bought two Collings last summer – a 290 and a I-35 LC – with the idea of keeping only my favorite between the two. 13 months later, I’m not able to choose one or the other! )
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Post by doctorice on Aug 13, 2018 16:17:25 GMT -7
(I have bought two Collings last summer – a 290 and a I-35 LC – with the idea of keeping only my favorite between the two. 13 months later, I’m not able to choose one or the other! ) You are wise, my friend. Two superb guitars.
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Post by Easyrom on Aug 14, 2018 0:38:30 GMT -7
Everytime I compared my Z-Lux to another amp, it’s its full, round, sweet qualities that made it for me. I guess I do like this full bottom richness.
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Post by carrjimi on Aug 14, 2018 15:20:04 GMT -7
Like a few people said earlier depends how loud the band is. For me tone wise I prefer the Zplus (I love also like the zlux but the plus gives me the goods at a lower volume).
What is woring for me in a band setting is running an extra cabinet with the Zplus. I have a blue and Z12 in series at 4Ohms and it kept up with my drummer with no problems. Full Power Master on 12:00 Volume on !2:00. I can post a video with the band to give you an idea if you like.
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Post by Easyrom on Aug 28, 2018 0:30:40 GMT -7
Sorry for my late answer! Yes a video is always a good idea! Anyway, I just ordered a new Z-Plus. Have to listen to it and feel it in person. Will be my 5th Z amp, after: - a Maz 8 (gone but much much regretted) - a Therapy (gone – The head and cab wasn’t a good set up for my needs and I missed the reverb - a Z-Lux (still here – The greatest guitar amp I’ve heard in person, but in my new configuration at home I’m stuck in 20W mode, Brake Lite on 4 clicks and master at 11 max. Volume is around 1) - a Cure (gone – Didn’t care much for this one. Despite its level control and my care for quite low volume (no ‘bedroom volume’ – that I don’t use), it couldn’t compete with the Lux) My Z-Plus will be Black with Tan grill in Studio cabinet, loaded with a Z12, but I already ordered a WGS G12Q I wanted to try. I absolutely love the Z12, but I’m curious about a quiter speaker (about 3 dB less). Now the hardest part: waiting for your new toy! I’ll keep you informed. I plan to take my time to choose between Lux and Plus the one that better fits my expectations. Don’t plan to keep both (last time I said that, that was about the two Collings I’ve bought last summer. One year later, they’re still at home. Can’t choose they’re too good!
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Aug 28, 2018 1:42:47 GMT -7
I bet you’re in for the same thing with the Lux and the Plus - keeping both! Cheers!
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Post by Easyrom on Aug 28, 2018 4:01:23 GMT -7
Actually, I kind of hate the idea of having tons of gear, especially expensive gear, for a humble home guitarist like me. I play with friends from time to time, but most of the time I'm a living room rock star and I have other things that are – or should I say that should be – some kind of priorities. Most are family "happiness subjects", such as holidays with the kids, week-ends here and there, hobbies for the whole family, etc. I really wish I could be strong enough to keep things simple with one guitar, one amp and a few pedals. But that's so hard!
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Aug 28, 2018 4:11:06 GMT -7
Very admirable ideals, all of which I gave up on years ago. Now I keep the gear piled high and the dream alive! Cheers.
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Post by j4gitr (John) on Aug 28, 2018 5:45:56 GMT -7
You're gonna love that Z-plus for the tone at low volume. I'm anxious to try mine in a band situation, but as I've moved cross country, there's no telling when that may be. Congrats. Let us know what you think when it arrives.
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Aug 28, 2018 6:42:40 GMT -7
Actually, I kind of hate the idea of having tons of gear, especially expensive gear, for a humble home guitarist like me. I play with friends from time to time, but most of the time I'm a living room rock star and I have other things that are – or should I say that should be – some kind of priorities. Most are family "happiness subjects", such as holidays with the kids, week-ends here and there, hobbies for the whole family, etc. I really wish I could be strong enough to keep things simple with one guitar, one amp and a few pedals. But that's so hard! Hey, it’s a much cheaper hobby overall than golf, owning a boat, or horses. And it’s a hobby you can do at home around the family.
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Post by Easyrom on Aug 28, 2018 6:50:28 GMT -7
You're gonna love that Z-plus for the tone at low volume. I'm anxious to try mine in a band situation, but as I've moved cross country, there's no telling when that may be. Congrats. Let us know what you think when it arrives. Thanks. I will!
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Post by Easyrom on Aug 28, 2018 6:51:23 GMT -7
Actually, I kind of hate the idea of having tons of gear, especially expensive gear, for a humble home guitarist like me. I play with friends from time to time, but most of the time I'm a living room rock star and I have other things that are – or should I say that should be – some kind of priorities. Most are family "happiness subjects", such as holidays with the kids, week-ends here and there, hobbies for the whole family, etc. I really wish I could be strong enough to keep things simple with one guitar, one amp and a few pedals. But that's so hard! Hey, it’s a much cheaper hobby overall than golf, owning a boat, or horses. And it’s a hobby you can do at home around the family. That's right. I play golf too, but I have no boat nor horse!
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Post by j4gitr (John) on Aug 28, 2018 9:34:38 GMT -7
Hey, it’s a much cheaper hobby overall than golf, owning a boat, or horses. And it’s a hobby you can do at home around the family. That's right. I play golf too, but I have no boat nor horse! Yahoo! Justification for buying more gear. I'm goin shoppin👍
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