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Post by LuckyBlackCat on Feb 4, 2018 18:42:10 GMT -7
I've done lots of reading but curious to get thoughts from the Z-bros as well...
I've been using various solderless patch cables for about a decade but think I'm going to go back to making my own soldered patch cables for my pedalboard.
Planning on using GLS pancake plugs and I'm trying to decide on the cable. I was originally thinking about Mogami 2319 but I'm curious to hear your thoughts. Also thinking of the 2524. Looks like that may be gripped by the plugs better due to the larger size, but not quite as flexible as the 2319 for tighter spaces.
For reference I've been using Lava Mini ELC for years, which I have liked pretty well.
Thanks in advance.
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Post by purpletele on Feb 4, 2018 19:17:08 GMT -7
I've done lots of reading but curious to get thoughts from the Z-bros as well... I've been using various solderless patch cables for about a decade but think I'm going to go back to making my own soldered patch cables for my pedalboard. Planning on using GLS pancake plugs and I'm trying to decide on the cable. I was originally thinking about Mogami 2319 but I'm curious to hear your thoughts. Also thinking of the 2524. Looks like that may be gripped by the plugs better due to the larger size, but not quite as flexible as the 2319 for tighter spaces. For reference I've been using Lava Mini ELC for years, which I have liked pretty well. Thanks in advance. I just went through that. It’s a process but satisfying. Those are nice plugs, I bought a big pack for my project. i like the smaller Mogami cable, BV
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Post by zpilot on Feb 5, 2018 1:23:10 GMT -7
I would probably go with George L .225" dia. cable for patch cables. I think you can find it sold in 25 foot lengths.
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Post by drdavel on Feb 5, 2018 6:45:48 GMT -7
Best-tronic CA-0678 for patch cables, CA-0446 for longer connecting cables. Some of the lowest capacitance bulk cables available.
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Post by Maddog on Feb 5, 2018 6:56:19 GMT -7
Best-tronic CA-0678 for patch cables, CA-0446 for longer connecting cables. Some of the lowest capacitance bulk cables available. But then again, you've still got that Stevie Ray "I want my cheap Radio Shack coily cable" hi capacitance argument to contend with too! Oh what to do, what to do??....right?
Personally, I like everything about Lava's new Ultra Mafic patchboard cables......Pricey, but sound really great and should last.....
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Post by pcns on Feb 5, 2018 8:49:31 GMT -7
If you are looking to make soldered cables I use Gepco GS-4 alot. Its a small diameter cable that has very low capacitance and is very nimble. We use this cable for our base pedal board cable offering. Works great, sounds great and is easy to work with. If you want a cut length drop me a PM and we can work that out for a Zbro my 2 cents, Todd
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Post by John E. on Feb 6, 2018 9:02:49 GMT -7
I would probably go with George L .225" dia. cable for patch cables. I think you can find it sold in 25 foot lengths. +1 on the George L's! The solderless are extremely easy to make! I've seen a buddy trying to make solderless Lava cables and he was pulling his hair out cause the connection was so hard to make, but George L's you just gotta make sure you cut the end relatively straight and screw it in and you're done, no stripping! And there's several sellers on Reverb that sell in 25' lengths. Also the right angle plugs are the easiest to make IMO.
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Post by LuckyBlackCat on Feb 6, 2018 11:04:39 GMT -7
Thanks, I've been making both Lava and GL solderless for a long time and have gotten really good at them (Lavas just take a little practice), but I'm actually planning to go back to soldered.
One more question for any electrical experts...
Is capacitance and the potential for tone difference even going to matter if they are all coming after a buffer at the start of my chain? I've been with Lava Mini ELC for a long time and was looking at the Mogami, which is higher capacitance. I like the sound of the Lava, and I don't want to blanket my sound at all, but I'm wondering if the buffer makes the capacitance/tone discussion somewhat moot.
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Feb 6, 2018 12:01:37 GMT -7
I use George L but candidly if I were rewriting my board I’d probably build soldered cables. The George Ls are really nice, but if you don’t connect them pretty much exactly they can introduce bad connections, wiggle loose if the board gets handled a lot , etc.
I’m not convinced that, within the spectrum of decent cables, capacitance makes that much difference given the run sizes and the effect of the pedals. I’d go for the smallest reasonable diameter cable so it’s easier to route around the board.
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Post by drdavel on Feb 6, 2018 12:22:05 GMT -7
For cables after the buffer, the capacitance will make hardly any difference. However, if your cable from the guitar to the buffer is relatively long and has high capacitance, you will have some treble loss. I use the CA-0446 cable for my 15-foot run from guitar to pedalboard. Works good.
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Post by zpilot on Feb 6, 2018 20:36:57 GMT -7
I would probably go with George L .225" dia. cable for patch cables. I think you can find it sold in 25 foot lengths. +1 on the George L's! The solderless are extremely easy to make! I've seen a buddy trying to make solderless Lava cables and he was pulling his hair out cause the connection was so hard to make, but George L's you just gotta make sure you cut the end relatively straight and screw it in and you're done, no stripping! And there's several sellers on Reverb that sell in 25' lengths. Also the right angle plugs are the easiest to make IMO. I like the George L cable I noted, But NOT their solderless conectors. Anyone who has used them for a long time can tell you why. Nice cable though.
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Post by John E. on Feb 7, 2018 6:45:52 GMT -7
+1 on the George L's! The solderless are extremely easy to make! I've seen a buddy trying to make solderless Lava cables and he was pulling his hair out cause the connection was so hard to make, but George L's you just gotta make sure you cut the end relatively straight and screw it in and you're done, no stripping! And there's several sellers on Reverb that sell in 25' lengths. Also the right angle plugs are the easiest to make IMO. I like the George L cable I noted, But NOT their solderless conectors. Anyone who has used them for a long time can tell you why. Nice cable though. I've been using them for 3 years now and haven't had an issues. If you use the rubber caps it helps keep the screws tight
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Post by zpilot on Feb 7, 2018 7:55:02 GMT -7
I used them for 15 to 20 years. I switched to the original style Lava cables because they have a MUCH better contact in the connectors. The ones with the ferrules. I'm not fond of the later version. There is a learning curve to making them. I still use them when prototyping a pedalboard. When I settle on cable lengths I replace them with PCNS soldered cables. I just think that when using solderless connectors I am trading performance for convenience. I'll bet the OP agrees. I found that in addition to occasional failures (always at inopportune moments) the solderless connection degrades over time and affects the sound. It's only when replaced with a good cable that you realize the difference.
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Post by LuckyBlackCat on Feb 8, 2018 10:23:01 GMT -7
Thanks for all the input. I ended up going with the Mogami 2319. Turned out great, got it up and runnning last night.
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