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Post by John E. on Jan 8, 2018 10:09:26 GMT -7
I've been a long time fan of Greenbacks with most amps (I'm only 20 so "long time" to me is the 11 years I've been playing guitar). I've been using the same closed back 2x12 Avatar with Greenbacks for the last 5 years or so and it's worked great with everything; Dr. Z Remedy, Supro Thunderbolt, Marshall JCM800, Orange Thunderverb 50, Bruno UG30 (not mine), Mesa Boogie Mark IIb.
But they all sounded great! But I always read about how great the V30 is with certain amps. Specifically the Orange and the Mesa/Boogie. Tell me a little bit about the differences in these and their characteristics etc.
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Post by zpilot on Jan 8, 2018 17:31:30 GMT -7
A Vintage 30 has an upper mid curve that can either add clarity or be an ice-pick in the ears. I think they work best with humbucker guitars and sealed cabinets. I hate them with a Telecaster. That's just my opinion though.
I once had a customer bring me an amp who claimed it sounded dull. I went through it and there was nothing really wrong. I suggested a change to V30's so we put a pair in and it was exactly what he wanted.
I think at first they sound good but after awhile that mid spike fatigues my ears.
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Post by John on Jan 9, 2018 19:11:44 GMT -7
V30...love it or hate it. As stated, there is an upper mid spike in tone. It's built into the speaker. No way around it. Some like it, some hate it. It goes well with certain amps and certain tones. (especially metal) It's got a big 50oz magnet and can handle 60 watts, so it can take a pretty good pounding. The big magnet means it should have big firm bass, but that upper mid spike is so dominate, that it's hard to tell if it has a lot of bass or not. Greenback have smaller magnets (35oz) and when pushed hard, they struggle to keep up. That 'struggling' is in itself a musical characteristic. Bass can get a little flubby (especially in an open back cabinet) and the whole speaker/tone can get a little compressed. (because of the smaller magnet) I've always liked that tone. But people who play rather loud may not like it. They describe it as flabby and squishy. (I've never had the luxury of being able to play that loud.) Closed back cabs can substantially reduce that flubby tone.
V30's also sound like crap when new. They really need to be broken in. They sound nasal as the cone can't move freely, so they have no bass. But when broken in, things are more balanced. (but again that upper mid honk is always there.) A lot of the bad rap the V30 gets is because people will play one in a store for 5 minutes...(and it's not broken in), and they think it's awful.
The Therapy seems to do well with the V30. However when paired with the Remedy...it's nothing but metal tones. (greenback is best for the Remedy)
The V30 is also louder than greenbacks for a given amount of power.
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Post by Joey Beverages on Jan 10, 2018 7:05:10 GMT -7
Been a V-30 fan for the past several years - probably since I got my first Z 112 cab (old style, short rectangle) back in 2006 ... V-30 is/was the standard speaker of choice iirc ....
Nothing wrong with a Greenback (or pair of) - but I've never taken the time to see where it would fit into my sound-scape ..... plenty of other people can give their opinions and play-time experiences tho
Volume? Yes it will bring it Able to some wattage? Yup. 60 watts Plays well with other speakers? Yup. Pairs nice with H30 in a Z-best cab. Also, try running along-side a Z-210 cab Too metal with a Remedy? Not really. At least, based on my play time and song/sound choices
Try it with a Z-28 set wfo and a dual buck guitar Then again, try with a Remedy (non-master vol) both volumes at 12:00 tone controls set to taste and 20 watts setting ..... enjoy Try it with a Galaxie 210 combo using the external speaker option Try it stacked atop a Z-210 with a Route 66 or Ghia or Monza
And if you like any of the above pairings/combinations .... then throw an overdrive/boost/gain/distorition pedal or two into the mix just my .02 and all that ....
cheers always,
Joel
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Post by helmi on Jan 20, 2018 12:47:49 GMT -7
I think what amp it's matched with means the most. I've had greenbacks and a v-30. my personal opinion, (which doesn't mean alot) i'll take greenbacks every time. (but I like a darker sound anyway)
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Jan 22, 2018 19:17:21 GMT -7
I usually hate V-30s but I really like it with my Therapy. Like everyone said, it is all about balancing the amp to the speaker. The V-30 compliments the Therapy but I shudder to think what it might sound like in, oh say a Deluxe Reverb. Might neuter a cat at 20 paces with that setup!
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Post by pcns on Jan 23, 2018 10:38:06 GMT -7
I have a well broken in pair of V30's in an open back avatar cab. Well broken in is very important with this speaker. Sound great with my Therapy and really good with my RxJr. I too am a big greenback fan. If I could only have one cab it would be greenbacks, however, the V30's are probably more dynamic with the mid hump. My 2 cents, God bless, Todd
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Post by sharkboy on Jan 23, 2018 14:06:07 GMT -7
I was never a fan of V30s or how I sounded with a Les Paul. I have an orange 1X12 with a V30 and played the LP clean through a D*mble clone into it. That was fantastic. It was good with distortion, but not out of this world. I haven't been as happy with any other combo with the speaker or the guitar.
I like greenbacks a lot, and haven't found them to be bad in any circumstances. I like blues and golds more, however.
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Post by John E. on Jan 30, 2018 8:40:58 GMT -7
So I got an Orange 2x12 with V-30's, and I haven't found anything about them that I DON'T like! Maybe a little TOO middy with my JCM 800 but lower the presence and all is good! Definitely better at handling my 50 watt Thunderverb or JCM at full volume than my 2x12 with greenbacks, I tried the Thunderverb at full volume/full gain, no attenuation through the greenbacks and it actually cut out when I played a full chord, almost like the speakers gave up for a sec!
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Post by ME on Jan 31, 2018 3:46:51 GMT -7
Orange amps and V30’s are a great pairing. I had a Rocker 30 combo and Rockerverb 50 II headthat I ran V30’s with. I also used a Creamback 65 M with great results. Currently using a Remedy with a 1x12 Creamback loaded cab. Great tones. ME
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Post by GuitarZ on Jan 31, 2018 7:08:54 GMT -7
Anybody have issues with 'cone cry' on the V30s? One came in my Randall Isocab. So, I was able to basically run my Maz Jr and Ghia full out into the Isocab. I seem to remember that the V30 cut through nicely in the mix since I was mostly using it for recording. Plus, I was able to EQ out anything I didn't like. I was just surprised it developed prominent cone cry on certain notes especially since it was rated at 60 watts vs the Greenback 25 watts. I've never had an issue with the Greenback in the Isocab. Maybe it was just a one off.
I always loved that my Maz Jr combo came with a Greenback. I like the rounder (?) sound.
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Post by John E. on Feb 1, 2018 9:32:29 GMT -7
Anybody have issues with 'cone cry' on the V30s? One came in my Randall Isocab. So, I was able to basically run my Maz Jr and Ghia full out into the Isocab. I seem to remember that the V30 cut through nicely in the mix since I was mostly using it for recording. Plus, I was able to EQ out anything I didn't like. I was just surprised it developed prominent cone cry on certain notes especially since it was rated at 60 watts vs the Greenback 25 watts. I've never had an issue with the Greenback in the Isocab. Maybe it was just a one off. I always loved that my Maz Jr combo came with a Greenback. I like the rounder (?) sound. What's "Cone Cry"
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Post by John on Feb 1, 2018 9:56:03 GMT -7
“cone cry” refers to an audible frequency generated by a speaker that is unrelated to the input (guitar) signal. Cone cry is caused by the speaker cone itself resonating at a particular frequency, which may appear higher or lower than the notes You can here it best after the 30 second mark: www.seanet.com/~pauls/cone_cry.mp3You hear a lower note. Sort of like a bad harmonizer. And I've heard it's most audible above the 10th fret on plain strings.
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Post by GuitarZ on Feb 1, 2018 17:49:46 GMT -7
I forgot most or some of us aren't familiar with 'cone cry'. I think I new the term, but didn't know what it was until I investigated my problem. I think John sums it up well and my case was something above the 10th fret on my high E or B string. It certainly wasn't a pleasant sound.
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Post by nicholas on Feb 1, 2018 18:42:49 GMT -7
I think there is almost as much difference between the 20w Heritage Greenback and 25 watt Greenback as there is between a 25 watt greenie and v30. Yet they are always just reffered to as Greenbacks. As for Greenbacks specifically, I like the 20 watt heritage greenbacks. They have the lower 96 db rating and are brighter. The 25 watt greenbacks (98 db) are louder and more modern sounding.
Not much a fan of v30. But lots of guys like them. They hurt my ears for some reason. Always end up with a wicked headache even at reasonable volumes.
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Post by John E. on Feb 2, 2018 7:37:04 GMT -7
I think there is almost as much difference between the 20w Heritage Greenback and 25 watt Greenback as there is between a 25 watt greenie and v30. Yet they are always just reffered to as Greenbacks. As for Greenbacks specifically, I like the 20 watt heritage greenbacks. They have the lower 96 db rating and are brighter. The 25 watt greenbacks (98 db) are louder and more modern sounding. Not much a fan of v30. But lots of guys like them. They hurt my ears for some reason. Always end up with a wicked headache even at reasonable volumes. I wonder why that is? Must just be the frequencies it accentuates that your ears don't like? I'm that way with Celestion Blues. Something about them, any time I've played my buddies old AC30 I get a headache and get all clammy, it's the strangest thing I know.
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Post by nicholas on Feb 2, 2018 16:04:39 GMT -7
I think there is almost as much difference between the 20w Heritage Greenback and 25 watt Greenback as there is between a 25 watt greenie and v30. Yet they are always just reffered to as Greenbacks. As for Greenbacks specifically, I like the 20 watt heritage greenbacks. They have the lower 96 db rating and are brighter. The 25 watt greenbacks (98 db) are louder and more modern sounding. Not much a fan of v30. But lots of guys like them. They hurt my ears for some reason. Always end up with a wicked headache even at reasonable volumes. I wonder why that is? Must just be the frequencies it accentuates that your ears don't like? I'm that way with Celestion Blues. Something about them, any time I've played my buddies old AC30 I get a headache and get all clammy, it's the strangest thing I know. Yeah, it's weird. The headache is almost immediate for me. Especially with a Marshall type amp. Hurts thinking about it I love the 20w greenies though. My resident Marshall 1960 cab is loaded with them. Everything sounds good through it. My Friedman, or my Z's. Those speakers sound great for cleans to classic rock to high gain madness. GREAT speakers. No headaches he he. At one point I had the 20 watt greenies in an "X" with the regular 25w versions. I was totally surprised how different they sounded.
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Post by zpilot on Feb 5, 2018 1:37:35 GMT -7
I have other favorites than the 20W Heritage Greenbacks for clean stuff but I can't think of a better choice for OD and especially higher gain work. I think if folks were using those speakers they would be much happier with their existing dirt pedals.
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