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Post by rob on Nov 1, 2017 18:16:25 GMT -7
I was piddling around tonight and happen to step behind my Maz Jr combo while playing. The sound from behind the cabinet seemed much fuller and pleasing to my ears. Thinking about it, I’m wondering if the sound bouncing around in the cab creates a different presentation from what is coming from the front. It was very noticeable and I would love to figure out a way to add that fullness out front. Rounder, fuller and just richer. Maz Jr with a celestion gold.
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Post by BritInvasion on Nov 1, 2017 18:23:45 GMT -7
Just speaking from my own experience and perceptions , at lower "home " volumes it does indeed give that effect. I've actually played small gigs where I had to keep the volume down with my amp turned backwards, which did give a nice full sound and really cut the volume down. But for most venues and band practices where I was up to normal gigging volume I found that playing with the amp in the normal direction was better , as it gave me the added punch front-facing but also retained a nice full "3D" sound with what was projecting from the back of the cab. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by rob on Nov 1, 2017 18:37:37 GMT -7
I had the volume at 2 o’clock and the master dimed. That’s my usual gigging volume for a larger stage.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 5:12:25 GMT -7
The speaker is moving back and forth. Close mic-ed sound is close to identical. Funny story: Bob Dylan doesn't like to see microphones in the studio. Less of them the better for Bob. On the most recent Bob records, the standards ones, the electric guitar and steel amps have been mic'ed from the back just so the mics would be out of eyeshot for Bob. He doesn't use headphones either.
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Post by digs57 on Nov 2, 2017 6:21:58 GMT -7
I could see in a controlled venue were you don't have to gamble on someone throwing a wrench into
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Post by "Z" Steve on Nov 2, 2017 7:39:29 GMT -7
John Jorgenson said that while playing with the Hellecasters he would put a mic in front as well in back of his Matchless combos when ever he could. Does it make a difference? Maybe in a recording situation, but live I'm not sure the listener would be able to discern the difference.
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Post by rob on Nov 2, 2017 9:14:49 GMT -7
So, I got to thinking this over. I am going to try installing a beam blocker in front of the gold to help knock off some of the top end. I think hearing the speaker from the rear basically took out the piercing high end and smoothed the overall tone. No ice-pick blast from the rear. It's worth a try...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 11:15:12 GMT -7
So, I got to thinking this over. I am going to try installing a beam blocker in front of the gold to help knock off some of the top end. I think hearing the speaker from the rear basically took out the piercing high end and smoothed the overall tone. No ice-pick blast from the rear. It's worth a try... Let me know how you make out because I am kinda feeling the same way lately about the front of amp sound of my Maz. Whether it's in the 212 cab I have or the 112. Maybe a beam blocker might be what I need. I only notice it when I have it tilted back and listening to it straight on. Especially with OD tones from pedals. Drives me nuts.
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Post by rob on Nov 2, 2017 12:25:17 GMT -7
So, I got to thinking this over. I am going to try installing a beam blocker in front of the gold to help knock off some of the top end. I think hearing the speaker from the rear basically took out the piercing high end and smoothed the overall tone. No ice-pick blast from the rear. It's worth a try... Let me know how you make out because I am kinda feeling the same way lately about the front of amp sound of my Maz. Whether it's in the 212 cab I have or the 112. Maybe a beam blocker might be what I need. I only notice it when I have it tilted back and listening to it straight on. Especially with OD tones from pedals. Drives me nuts. Will do... I will update the thread once I get it installed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 13:11:27 GMT -7
I have read mixed reviews...
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Post by big ( Al Z. ) on Nov 4, 2017 18:43:06 GMT -7
Saw Glenn Schwartz (James Gang) play with his amp facing the bowling machine at Hooples many times. He said he just added some treble and that he was fine with it. So while it could be different it could also be good!
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Post by rob on Nov 7, 2017 17:37:55 GMT -7
Update:
Got the beam blocker in and installed it in the Maz. Completely underwhelmed and pulled it out after about 10 minutes. The amp sounded dull, listless and like a blanket had been placed over it. Worth a shot I guess, but more of a hindrance than any kind of improvement from my standpoint.
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Post by BritInvasion on Nov 7, 2017 18:06:36 GMT -7
I've tried 'em and felt that they didn't do much.
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Post by doctorice on Nov 7, 2017 19:43:56 GMT -7
I've been experiencing a little bit of the ole "ice pick" from my amps with a MAZ-style front end. Have been turning the treble down. Plugged the same guitar I've been using into the Therapy + Z Best and have the treble turned up past noon. A lot of variables at work, including my aging ears.
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Post by zpilot on Nov 11, 2017 8:57:16 GMT -7
I tried Beam Blockers. Didn't care for them. I got better results by taping a 6" diameter piece of foam rubber in front of the speaker. It looks really ugly though.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Nov 12, 2017 15:21:55 GMT -7
zpilot, isn't that kind of like the "Mitchell Doughnuts" that I heard of a couple of years ago? I think they're like a disc with a hole cut in the middle. I guess the claim is that the offensive beaming frequencies emanate away from the center of the speaker cone, not from the center itself. They were said to work great,and I've never tried the idea. It seemed kind of unusual at least and I finally decided to simply lean my amp back about 45 degrees and adjust the treble control to keep from neutering cats at 50 feet...
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Post by "Z" Steve on Nov 12, 2017 16:22:03 GMT -7
I had a pair years ago and they didn't do what I was expecting them to do. After collecting dust in a drawer for a spell I wound up giving them to a forum member (I think I paid shipping too). Now that I revisit this topic, I don't think I've ever heard of any players I am into saying they use them so that may say something as well. But, if they work for you and help with the issue that's great!
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Post by mickey on Nov 13, 2017 0:39:32 GMT -7
So, I got to thinking this over. I am going to try installing a beam blocker in front of the gold to help knock off some of the top end. I think hearing the speaker from the rear basically took out the piercing high end and smoothed the overall tone. No ice-pick blast from the rear. It's worth a try... Let me know how you make out because I am kinda feeling the same way lately about the front of amp sound of my Maz. Whether it's in the 212 cab I have or the 112. Maybe a beam blocker might be what I need. I only notice it when I have it tilted back and listening to it straight on. Especially with OD tones from pedals. Drives me nuts. That's one reason I changed my Gold for a Creamback. The Gold is a wonderful speaker in many ways, but with OD pedals that high end was too much.
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