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Post by ss "Shane" on Oct 25, 2017 15:41:51 GMT -7
I went to a jam session the other night and it was really great for the first hour. Dudes were literally raving about my tone with my Therapy and my Crook. It was an all classic southern rock jam so I was right at home.
After about an hour these same dudes with half stacks and Marshall heads completely drown me out and I had the Therapy dimed...master and volume. Of course, my cab wasn’t mic’d so I was left out. All I could do was wait for the drummer to take a break and get on his kit. I don’t like volumes that loud but I also like staying on my guitar lol.
With that said, what does the doc have available in the big guns catagorie?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 15:58:46 GMT -7
You don't need another amp. just add another speaker cabinet. Or better yet, get a 2x12 with a couple 100 dB speakers in it.
While the Therapy is "only" 35w, I have no issue hanging with 50w to 80w amps if I bring the right cab. I'm usually dimed, anyway...
EDIT: I'd also consider moving to KT77's. A little more mid content to help you cut...
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Post by KeithA on Oct 25, 2017 16:35:53 GMT -7
I went to a jam session the other night and it was really great for the first hour. Dudes were literally raving about my tone with my Therapy and my Crook. It was an all classic southern rock jam so I was right at home. After about an hour these same dudes with half stacks and Marshall heads completely drown me out and I had the Therapy dimed...master and volume. Of course, my cab wasn’t mic’d so I was left out. All I could do was wait for the drummer to take a break and get on his kit. I don’t like volumes that loud but I also like staying on my guitar lol. With that said, what does the doc have available in the big guns catagorie? lol...if the cab options don't pan out...Z-80
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 16:51:11 GMT -7
I went to a jam session the other night and it was really great for the first hour. Dudes were literally raving about my tone with my Therapy and my Crook. It was an all classic southern rock jam so I was right at home. After about an hour these same dudes with half stacks and Marshall heads completely drown me out and I had the Therapy dimed...master and volume. Of course, my cab wasn’t mic’d so I was left out. All I could do was wait for the drummer to take a break and get on his kit. I don’t like volumes that loud but I also like staying on my guitar lol. With that said, what does the doc have available in the big guns catagorie? lol...if the cab options don't pan out...Z-80 When the guys with 80 - 100 watters start showing up, I usually leave. It's only a matter of time before they start breaking out the tape measures...
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Post by KeithA on Oct 25, 2017 16:54:57 GMT -7
lol...if the cab options don't pan out...Z-80 When the guys with 80 - 100 watters start showing up, I usually leave. It's only a matter of time before they start breaking out the tape measures... Ha ha ! I thought I outgrew that......maybe not
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Oct 25, 2017 17:32:51 GMT -7
1) Antidote 2) Surgical Steel 3) Maz GT
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Oct 25, 2017 17:43:00 GMT -7
I'm surprised. Last time I dimed my Therapy I rattled a couple of fillings out of my teeth.
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Post by ss "Shane" on Oct 25, 2017 18:42:42 GMT -7
I wish I could quote all of the above comments. You guys crack me up!! To be fair I only had my 1/12 Creamback cab. Anyway, I feel like I still would have been washed out with my 2/12 v30-G12h. I think for a rare occasion I need a louder amp. Which amp was it that the Doc described as needing “big boy pants” the dote maybe?
Here is what I know...I don’t want Marshall heads and cabs because I really think my tone was better. I’m sure I’ll catch grief from die hard Marshall guys over that statement, but it’s the Z sound that I’ve become at home with. I just need more watts I guess.
Side note: Yes, a Crook T can cover southern rock all day long.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 18:52:26 GMT -7
I'm surprised. Last time I dimed my Therapy I rattled a couple of fillings out of my teeth. Also adequate for blasting kidney stones...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 18:57:38 GMT -7
I wish I could quote all of the above comments. You guys crack me up!! To be fair I only had my 1/12 Creamback cab. Anyway, I feel like I still would have been washed out with my 2/12 v30-G12h. I think for a rare occasion I need a louder amp. Which amp was it that the Doc described as needing “big boy pants” the dote maybe? Here is what I know...I don’t want Marshall heads and cabs because I really think my tone was better. I’m sure I’ll catch grief from die hard Marshall guys over that statement, but it’s the Z sound that I’ve become at home with. I just need more watts I guess. Side note: Yes, a Crook T can cover southern rock all day long. I'm here for the comic relief... The Creamback, while being a great speaker, is only 97 dB. If those guys are showing up with 4x12's loaded with 100 dB V30's, you could put an EMS, SRZ, Maz GT, Triple Rec., etc. on top of that 1x12 and you're still going to get buried. A 2x12 loaded with a Gold and a G12H30 (gasp!!!) will get you in the ballpark.
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Post by bgkyt1 on Oct 25, 2017 19:06:17 GMT -7
Doc's new EMS amp is 50 watts fixed bias. Probably his take on a JCM 800. That should do it. An old SRZ 65 if you can find one.
If you're talking Allman Brothers style southern rock, I bet a Mazerati GT would be great and could possibly hang in there.
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Post by ss "Shane" on Oct 25, 2017 19:27:46 GMT -7
Doc's new EMS amp is 50 watts fixed bias. Probably his take on a JCM 800. That should do it. An old SRZ 65 if you can find one. If you're talking Allman Brothers style southern rock, I bet a Mazerati GT would be great and could possibly hang in there. of course the EMS! I completely forgot about that one! 50 “Z” watts are what I call big guns.
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Post by markT on Oct 26, 2017 6:02:25 GMT -7
It's your Creamback that's holding you back.....not the amp! You have a 97db speaker. Known for low efficiency and taming LOUD amps. The 100db AlNiCo Cream I use has NEVER been "not enough"...if it was, like mentioned above, just add more, more efficient speakers. It's also possible you have an amp that's "under the weather". Try a new set of JJ 6L6's. BTW....not knocking the Creamback. Great speaker...just quieter than some other choices.
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Post by ss "Shane" on Oct 26, 2017 7:00:02 GMT -7
It's your Creamback that's holding you back.....not the amp! You have a 97db speaker. Known for low efficiency and taming LOUD amps. The 100db AlNiCo Cream I use has NEVER been "not enough"...if it was, like mentioned above, just add more, more efficient speakers. It's also possible you have an amp that's "under the weather". Try a new set of JJ 6L6's. BTW....not knocking the Creamback. Great speaker...just quieter than some other choices. Oh I completely agree with this. I’ve always realized that my cab was 97db, I just really dig the tone of the Creamback with my Therapy. It’s only on a rare and very rare occasion that 97dbs might not get it done. I already have a mint condition 2-12 Z open back cab that never gets touched, just not a fan of the speakers in it. Maybe I need to just explore a pair of more sensitive 12’s. I’ve really been doing some research on the EMS and it’s very tempting!!!
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Post by walt on Oct 26, 2017 7:15:51 GMT -7
I'm surprised. Last time I dimed my Therapy I rattled a couple of fillings out of my teeth. Me too!I never get above 3 oclock on the master,clean or dirty,I have some decent sized speakers too.If the Therapy couldn't hang I really hope you guys had ear plugs in. I'm starting to get conservative about volume-last 6 months I notice certain frequency's-especially metal on metal(large bolt hitting an I beam) no matter the volume really hurt my ears,so I am turning stuff down and bought ear plugs for work.
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Post by Rockerfeller on Oct 26, 2017 7:29:09 GMT -7
I went to a jam session the other night and it was really great for the first hour. Dudes were literally raving about my tone with my Therapy and my Crook. It was an all classic southern rock jam so I was right at home. After about an hour these same dudes with half stacks and Marshall heads completely drown me out and I had the Therapy dimed...master and volume. Of course, my cab wasn’t mic’d so I was left out. All I could do was wait for the drummer to take a break and get on his kit. I don’t like volumes that loud but I also like staying on my guitar lol. With that said, what does the doc have available in the big guns catagorie? I play in a band with a loud drummer and a guitar player who plays a Therapy and I play a Wreck. The Therapy is never under powered. That thing can be quite loud and it is never buried in the mix. I can only imagine how loud it was in the room you were playing IF you couldn't hear your Therapy dimed! Was this jam session at a club? Could you not hear yourself on stage, out in the front or both?
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Oct 26, 2017 7:45:13 GMT -7
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Post by ss "Shane" on Oct 26, 2017 7:48:53 GMT -7
I went to a jam session the other night and it was really great for the first hour. Dudes were literally raving about my tone with my Therapy and my Crook. It was an all classic southern rock jam so I was right at home. After about an hour these same dudes with half stacks and Marshall heads completely drown me out and I had the Therapy dimed...master and volume. Of course, my cab wasn’t mic’d so I was left out. All I could do was wait for the drummer to take a break and get on his kit. I don’t like volumes that loud but I also like staying on my guitar lol. With that said, what does the doc have available in the big guns catagorie? I play in a band with a loud drummer and a guitar player who plays a Therapy and I play a Wreck. The Therapy is never under powered. That thing can be quite loud and it is never buried in the mix. I can only imagine how loud it was in the room you were playing IF you couldn't hear your Therapy dimed! Was this jam session at a club? Could you not hear yourself on stage, out in the front or both? it wasn’t at a club, it was a private thing and after the first hour, when other amps went up, I had trouble hearing myself. Those other amps were sitting right next to mine, crammed into a small space. The kick, snare, bass and vocal was mic’d up. My rig was behind the mains and that’s where the problem was...low sensitivity single cab and no mic on it. I really do believe my Therapy would have been fine with two higher db 12s. The Creamback 65 was the factor. I don’t wanna say it was the problem because that speaker is really great. The problem was that there was lack of balance and too much power coming out of the mains. Walt, I agree with you about volume levels and hearing protection. Like I said, I’m not a fan of levels that high unless its controlled in a coliseum or something. After thinking more about it I have found that the real problem was lack of discipline and uncontrolled testosterone. To any person wondering if the Therapy is loud enough after reading this thread I say that it IS. Just make sure your cab (s) is efficient enough. I will say this; when Z amps are described as being built like a tank I completely concur. I really pushed the heck outta that thing.
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Post by Maddog on Oct 26, 2017 8:26:02 GMT -7
Everybody "needs" a new amp every now and then....Forget the above mentioned speaker change theories (tho that IS the smartest way to go) and go treat yerself to a new Dr. Z Antidote.....
Really LOUD, lots of girth and chime, 45-50ish watts IIRC, and Z Tone for days. One of my fave amps ever! Those Marshall guys will be green, and hanging their heads as they load up their fridge-size follies...
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Post by Rockerfeller on Oct 26, 2017 8:47:30 GMT -7
If this jam is going to become a regular thing, I would mic my cab and get there early enough to set up further away from the drummer. When I can't hear my rig, it is usually because the drummer is louder and I am too close to him. Sometimes getting just 4' further away helps a TON. Angle your cab up at you just a bit and make sure you can be a good 10' from the cab. You know this of course, but if you are standing right next to the cab, it is just blowing by you. It could be very loud out front but your ears are missing it. The other thing? Don't turn up. Everybody could hear you at first, and then the first guy turned up. Then you turned up..then he turned up...so on and so forth till you had no more to give. Sometimes, NOT turning up holds the other guys back. Not always, but that is a trick I learned a long time ago.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 8:56:32 GMT -7
It's your Creamback that's holding you back.....not the amp! You have a 97db speaker. Known for low efficiency and taming LOUD amps. The 100db AlNiCo Cream I use has NEVER been "not enough"...if it was, like mentioned above, just add more, more efficient speakers. It's also possible you have an amp that's "under the weather". Try a new set of JJ 6L6's. BTW....not knocking the Creamback. Great speaker...just quieter than some other choices. A Therapy with two Alnico Creams??? That's something I can support!!!
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