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Post by hotmod on Oct 1, 2017 4:06:24 GMT -7
How about that? I'm thinking an old Marshall cab ('68-69) and a head to head comparison between the ems , an original jtm50, an original jmp 50 and a jcm 50. Same tubes ,same cables same guitars. Anyone thought of doing it? I would love to hear opinions after such a test. How close you think it could get?
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Oct 1, 2017 13:57:36 GMT -7
At the mini-Z-Fest we ran the EMS vs. a 1987 XL - same speaker (two greenbacks) - the EMS out-Marshalled the Marshall.
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Post by Ryan (shorty) on Oct 6, 2017 16:14:16 GMT -7
At the mini-Z-Fest we ran the EMS vs. a 1987 XL - same speaker (two greenbacks) - the EMS out-Marshalled the Marshall. It sure did!!
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Oct 6, 2017 17:17:03 GMT -7
At the mini-Z-Fest we ran the EMS vs. a 1987 XL - same speaker (two greenbacks) - the EMS out-Marshalled the Marshall. It sure did!! I can independently verify this as well!
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Post by gio on Dec 23, 2017 7:52:54 GMT -7
Anybody try the EMS vs a Germino Club 40? I have a Club 40 and feel that an EMS would just be redundant. I’m not into super high gain tones.
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Post by pcns on Dec 23, 2017 12:12:36 GMT -7
At the mini-Z-Fest we ran the EMS vs. a 1987 XL - same speaker (two greenbacks) - the EMS out-Marshalled the Marshall. I was there for this. The EMS was stellar as the amps were switched back and forth. EMS had better sustain, was more articulate and had more features so you could dial in a wider variety of great sounds. The EMS is NOT a one trick pony like many Marshalls are. Good stuff is that EMS!! My 2 cents, Todd
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Post by John E. on Jan 3, 2018 8:13:46 GMT -7
I'd love to hear an EMS vs a JCM800 2204, cause I like how the EMS has so many options that span so many different eras, and I LOVE my 2204 but it's old and Z's are extremely reliable, plus the Z has so much flexibility.
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Post by captainron (Ron) on Jan 4, 2018 11:11:09 GMT -7
I can independently verify this as well! I can verify as well! I think everyone at the Mini Z will agree. The EMS out "Marshalled" the Marshall. Best "Marshall" I've ever heard. Like the web page states you can get a few different "Marshall" variants out of the EMS. Much more than a one trick pony!
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Post by John E. on Jan 4, 2018 11:29:35 GMT -7
I can independently verify this as well! I can verify as well! I think everyone at the Mini Z will agree. The EMS out "Marshalled" the Marshall. Best "Marshall" I've ever heard. Like the web page states you can get a few different "Marshall" variants out of the EMS. Much more than a one trick pony! This term always confuses me! Like I know what you mean by "out-Marshalls a Marshall" but to me it's weird how we all have this idea of how a Marshall should sound and you would think that an actual Marshall would suffice, and it's funny to me how other amps that aren't Marshalls can sound more Marshall than an actual Marshall.
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Post by brightlight on Jan 4, 2018 12:56:09 GMT -7
I can verify as well! I think everyone at the Mini Z will agree. The EMS out "Marshalled" the Marshall. Best "Marshall" I've ever heard. Like the web page states you can get a few different "Marshall" variants out of the EMS. Much more than a one trick pony! This term always confuses me! Like I know what you mean by "out-Marshalls a Marshall" but to me it's weird how we all have this idea of how a Marshall should sound and you would think that an actual Marshall would suffice, and it's funny to me how other amps that aren't Marshalls can sound more Marshall than an actual Marshall. I think what's being referred to is a very specific "throatiness" in the midrange of classic marshall amps. The first marshalls I believe were "hot rodded" tweed fender bassmans, which is an era of fender amps that had similar characteristics as opposed to the commonly heard fender mid scoop of non tweed era's. That Pedal Show not too long ago did a YouTube video comparing mid scoops and mid pushed qualities between fender, vox, and marshall. Very informative
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Jan 7, 2018 8:04:46 GMT -7
I can verify as well! I think everyone at the Mini Z will agree. The EMS out "Marshalled" the Marshall. Best "Marshall" I've ever heard. Like the web page states you can get a few different "Marshall" variants out of the EMS. Much more than a one trick pony! This term always confuses me! Like I know what you mean by "out-Marshalls a Marshall" but to me it's weird how we all have this idea of how a Marshall should sound and you would think that an actual Marshall would suffice, and it's funny to me how other amps that aren't Marshalls can sound more Marshall than an actual Marshall. The thing is, what we all want from a "Marshall" sounding amplifier is not a binary function, but exists along a continuum. Example: I was learning to play when Eric Clapton was getting a wonderful sound from his Marshalls, and I've tried duplicating that sound ever since. But I've owned half a dozen Marshalls that had no idea how to sound like that, even if I could play like EC. It seems the Marshalls I owned were tuned to have considerably more distortion (not saturation) which to my ear is thin, brittle, fake and not very musical. OTOH a lot of very good musicians coax music out of those very same amplifiers. This is the genius of the EMS if you ask me. It lets you get to the tone you hear in your head (the one that exists on that continuum) while letting me get to mine (probably at a completely different place along that continuum). I wish I owned one of these!
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Post by John E. on Jan 8, 2018 9:55:44 GMT -7
This term always confuses me! Like I know what you mean by "out-Marshalls a Marshall" but to me it's weird how we all have this idea of how a Marshall should sound and you would think that an actual Marshall would suffice, and it's funny to me how other amps that aren't Marshalls can sound more Marshall than an actual Marshall. The thing is, what we all want from a "Marshall" sounding amplifier is not a binary function, but exists along a continuum. Example: I was learning to play when Eric Clapton was getting a wonderful sound from his Marshalls, and I've tried duplicating that sound ever since. But I've owned half a dozen Marshalls that had no idea how to sound like that, even if I could play like EC. It seems the Marshalls I owned were tuned to have considerably more distortion (not saturation) which to my ear is thin, brittle, fake and not very musical. OTOH a lot of very good musicians coax music out of those very same amplifiers. This is the genius of the EMS if you ask me. It lets you get to the tone you hear in your head (the one that exists on that continuum) while letting me get to mine (probably at a completely different place along that continuum). I wish I owned one of these! This makes sense. There's so many variables it's crazy! What I mean is knowing what amplifier and guitar someone used to get a particular sound is just one piece of the puzzle; what mics were used, what speakers, the console it was recorded on, how the guitars knobs were set, what cab was used, etc.. I've even heard two amps pf the same make, model, and year, sound completely different!
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Post by fishbeiner on Feb 17, 2018 14:16:48 GMT -7
Not to ruffle feathers, and I don’t particularly like to talk about other manufacturer questions here, but I have a few opportunities and I figured this would be the best place to ask, especially since it includes he possibility of me taking home an EMS
I have a Friedman Dirty Shirley and wanted to know how it would compare to the EMS. My bias is towards the Z, but as I haven’t played the EMS, I can’t really compare. If I got the EMS, I would dump the Friedman. My favorite features about DS is the ability to turn up the gain at lower levels and it really sounds good. I feel like I might gain a bit more with the EMS because of the option to switch to the solid state rectifier, as well as what seems to be a full range of tones. It might also kick away this urge I’ve had for a long time for a Germino C45 as well, which would be great. Not that any of this will happen, but a few things have come up that may allow some “adjustments” to my musical equipment situation. Plus the EMS looks and sounds great from what I’ve read and heard.
So... thoughts, opinions and advice welcome!
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Post by purpletele on Feb 17, 2018 15:13:04 GMT -7
I hear the MV is fantastic.
So you have that going for you. Plus you are recovering from brain surgery, you can get whatever you want.
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Post by fishbeiner on Feb 17, 2018 16:12:28 GMT -7
I hear the MV is fantastic. So you have that going for you. Plus you are recovering from brain surgery, you can get whatever you want. I’m catching up and keeping things straight, finding ways to keep the things I love and move what I don’t need (not necessarily music stuff). Music has been a huge release for me, and I’ve apparently got a bug for the “Marshall” thing. I might just go for the EMS and say heck with it. Life’s short. Besides I can’t resist anything Z... PS: I actually wrote so much more, but didn’t want to detail too much. I’ll have to post over in the Lounge.
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Post by gtrnstuff on Feb 29, 2020 18:28:28 GMT -7
I recently got to compare a 1960 Bassman (tweed chassis in a head case), a Suhr SL-67, a Marshall SV-20 and an EMS. The EMS holds its own, for sure. Can go a bit higher gain than the others with the gain switch up, of course. The master volume is as useful for controlling how much gain hits the output stages, as it is for volume control. I liked it backed off just a notch from full up. So ideally, maybe an attenuator is the ticket for getting the tone you want at the volume you need. Other than that, horses for courses. They all have their good points. Surprised at how good the little Marshall sounded. The Bassman, with a Weber Z-Matcher to safely go from 2 ohms into the same 8 ohm load as the others had an interesting attack and punchy sound, though more raw than the others. The Suhr reminds me of some of the Marshalls I played in the 70's, in a good way. The 2 channel jumping works really well, and the low voltage option actually sounds great. All good stuff. I have liked every Z I've owned. Quality and tone and more reasonable price than some other options.
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Post by robot poet on Sept 14, 2020 20:08:52 GMT -7
So I have a couple of Fargen Olde 800s - a recent Mk III with EL-84s, and an older Mk II with KT66s. The KTs sound particularly awesome in the 60s decade setting. Beautiful cleans.
Both are 25w and I want a 50w just to have the headroom if I need it. The EMS sounds like it be would perfect, but I’m wondering if anyone’s done an A/B comparison?
Thanks much
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