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Post by ampedup on Aug 12, 2017 19:40:48 GMT -7
I know, there is an argument for owning all the Z amps but I have some space restrictions and am "trying" to curb my gear spending. So I'll be trading in some other amps to get this and a matching 1x12 cab. I'm wondering is there much/any overlap between the three models? I'm guessing if any it's not a lot (good) but I'll bow to your experience. I should mention the Remedy is a non-MV model so I do struggle with volume on that particular amp (I use an Air Brake which helps at gig volumes) and I really love the MV on the Z-lux but no plans to sell the Remedy. Anyway, I've only had a few minutes with a Therapy in a local store and that's never going to be the same as owning it for a while. I don't know why this episode of GAS hit when it did, honestly I think it was just the arrival of a Therapy at the store and then I foolishly investigated online... dang. Thanks all, Neal
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Post by iluvpunz on Aug 12, 2017 20:58:58 GMT -7
I can't speak to the Z Lux but the Therapy and the Remedy are very different amps. The Remedy is stiffer and the breakup has that British grind. The Therapy is more American and the overdrive/distortion is smooth and American flavor. Both are great amps. I would say that the Therapy is more versatile and adaptable and the master volume works very well. The Remedy can give you cleans but not like the Therapy. The Remedy, especially with no master volume can be a little hard to tame. Mine had the master volume and eq bypass which made a big difference for gigging. The Therapy is lower in overall volume and while the cleans are there once the volume (not master volume) gets past noon it has a lot of gain. Lot of tone variance in the Therapy mid control. It takes pedals well but its a bit picky with speakers in my experience. Doc recommended Vintage 30 for the Therapy and that's the best match I've found so far, even though I couldn't stand that speaker with my Remedy. I play in a cover band that does more modern country and classic rock and the Therapy has been my gigging map for about the last year. Love the Remedy also but it's just not quite as adaptable as the Therapy is. I'm guessing you play an LP and there aren't many amps that match up better with a good Les Paul than the Remedy.
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Post by ampedup on Aug 13, 2017 9:35:15 GMT -7
Good to hear and what I assumed, thanks Ken. I guess I'm hoping to fill a gap between the Z-Lux and the Remedy. I do play a Les Paul primarily but also use a 335 and I was a strat guy for years but haven't found a tone that I enjoy for a long time. I have a feeling that the Therapy and Z-Lux will leave the Remedy as a bit of a third wheel which is a shame because it's a great amp too. I think with these three I could/should be happy for a while 🙃.
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Post by purpletele on Aug 13, 2017 9:52:33 GMT -7
Good to hear and what I assumed, thanks Ken. I guess I'm hoping to fill a gap between the Z-Lux and the Remedy. I do play a Les Paul primarily but also use a 335 and I was a strat guy for years but haven't found a tone that I enjoy for a long time. I have a feeling that the Therapy and Z-Lux will leave the Remedy as a bit of a third wheel which is a shame because it's a great amp too. I think with these three I could/should be happy for a while 🙃. I have a Therapy and a Remedy as well. I am building a cool single channel Deluxe Reverb with 6L6's so I will have a similar menu. The Therapy is really a Desert Island for me. I can get a lot of different tones with that amp, I had it real soft and clean with the use of Pre-amp tubes. I jacked it up recently with new AX7's and it is an aggressive amp. I haven't tried rolling power tubes but I here that is another cool avenue. I am still not convinced a V-30 sounds good with the Therapy. I will try that set up next week. On a performance setup I think the Remedy and Therapy would be a good Ying Yang set up with the Therapy set up fairly clean. Just rambling thoughts
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Aug 13, 2017 10:39:20 GMT -7
Good to hear and what I assumed, thanks Ken. I guess I'm hoping to fill a gap between the Z-Lux and the Remedy. I do play a Les Paul primarily but also use a 335 and I was a strat guy for years but haven't found a tone that I enjoy for a long time. I have a feeling that the Therapy and Z-Lux will leave the Remedy as a bit of a third wheel which is a shame because it's a great amp too. I think with these three I could/should be happy for a while 🙃. I have a Therapy and a Remedy as well. I am building a cool single channel Deluxe Reverb with 6L6's so I will have a similar menu. The Therapy is really a Desert Island for me. I can get a lot of different tones with that amp, I had it real soft and clean with the use of Pre-amp tubes. I jacked it up recently with new AX7's and it is an aggressive amp. I haven't tried rolling power tubes but I here that is another cool avenue. I am still not convinced a V-30 sounds good with the Therapy. I will try that set up next week. On a performance setup I think the Remedy and Therapy would be a good Ying Yang set up with the Therapy set up fairly clean. Just rambling thoughts Brian, I'm looking forward to your impression of the Therapy with the V-30. I held out for a couple of years and finally got one, and I'm really glad I did. The one gripe I had with the Therapy was that it lacked the upper mid/treble punch that I love, and switching to the V-30 fixed it for me. Love that combination.
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Post by purpletele on Aug 13, 2017 11:29:20 GMT -7
I have a Therapy and a Remedy as well. I am building a cool single channel Deluxe Reverb with 6L6's so I will have a similar menu. The Therapy is really a Desert Island for me. I can get a lot of different tones with that amp, I had it real soft and clean with the use of Pre-amp tubes. I jacked it up recently with new AX7's and it is an aggressive amp. I haven't tried rolling power tubes but I here that is another cool avenue. I am still not convinced a V-30 sounds good with the Therapy. I will try that set up next week. On a performance setup I think the Remedy and Therapy would be a good Ying Yang set up with the Therapy set up fairly clean. Just rambling thoughts Brian, I'm looking forward to your impression of the Therapy with the V-30. I held out for a couple of years and finally got one, and I'm really glad I did. The one gripe I had with the Therapy was that it lacked the upper mid/treble punch that I love, and switching to the V-30 fixed it for me. Love that combination. The speaker I have is probably 15 years old NOS, hardly played. I have noted that you had an older speaker that didn't sound the same as your new one. Mr. Mather is making a delivery on Tuesday for a new red Studio Extension Cab. I'll throw it there and try it.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Aug 13, 2017 11:34:27 GMT -7
Brian, I'm looking forward to your impression of the Therapy with the V-30. I held out for a couple of years and finally got one, and I'm really glad I did. The one gripe I had with the Therapy was that it lacked the upper mid/treble punch that I love, and switching to the V-30 fixed it for me. Love that combination. The speaker I have is probably 15 years old NOS, hardly played. I have noted that you had an older speaker that didn't sound the same as your new one. Mr. Mather is making a delivery on Tuesday for a new red Studio Extension Cab. I'll throw it there and try it. Yes, the V-30 I refer to was stock in a used Marshall Studio 15 amp that I bought used about 5 years ago. No telling how much or how little it's been used, but it sure did sound different than the new one, by a long shot.
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Post by nmz on Aug 13, 2017 13:59:12 GMT -7
V30 was one of the Dr. favorite speakers with the Therapy. I love a WGS vet 30 with mine, kinda took the honk out and less db.
I recently picked up a headbone so I can run my Therapy through my Z-Lux combo amp. Best of both worlds! I don't plan to switch between the amps during a song. Just use one for the dirty songs and the other for clean songs. Obviously they will use the same speaker and the Lux has a Z speaker in it so EQ was very different. But I was able to find a happy place with a 335 (makes everything sound good).
I had a Remedy and do not think any of those three overlap much.
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Post by ampedup on Aug 13, 2017 19:31:46 GMT -7
I recently picked up a headbone so I can run my Therapy through my Z-Lux combo amp. Best of both worlds! I don't plan to switch between the amps during a song. Just use one for the dirty songs and the other for clean songs. Obviously they will use the same speaker and the Lux has a Z speaker in it so EQ was very different. Am very interested in this.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Aug 14, 2017 7:32:11 GMT -7
V30 was one of the Dr. favorite speakers with the Therapy. I love a WGS vet 30 with mine, kinda took the honk out and less db. I recently picked up a headbone so I can run my Therapy through my Z-Lux combo amp. Best of both worlds! I don't plan to switch between the amps during a song. Just use one for the dirty songs and the other for clean songs. Obviously they will use the same speaker and the Lux has a Z speaker in it so EQ was very different. But I was able to find a happy place with a 335 (makes everything sound good). I had a Remedy and do not think any of those three overlap much. I do the same thing with the Headbone when I'm playing a bigger show. The Therapy on top of the Z-Lux looks and sounds great. It begs the question how the Z-Lux sounds through a V-30. I've never tried it but then I never liked the V-30 until I drove it with my Therapy. I'll have to try that this week.
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Post by nmz on Aug 14, 2017 14:44:48 GMT -7
V30 was one of the Dr. favorite speakers with the Therapy. I love a WGS vet 30 with mine, kinda took the honk out and less db. I recently picked up a headbone so I can run my Therapy through my Z-Lux combo amp. Best of both worlds! I don't plan to switch between the amps during a song. Just use one for the dirty songs and the other for clean songs. Obviously they will use the same speaker and the Lux has a Z speaker in it so EQ was very different. But I was able to find a happy place with a 335 (makes everything sound good). I had a Remedy and do not think any of those three overlap much. I do the same thing with the Headbone when I'm playing a bigger show. The Therapy on top of the Z-Lux looks and sounds great. It begs the question how the Z-Lux sounds through a V-30. I've never tried it but then I never liked the V-30 until I drove it with my Therapy. I'll have to try that this week. It does look awesome! Looking forward to hearing how the V30 works out.
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Post by ss "Shane" on Aug 15, 2017 9:49:52 GMT -7
Funny how threads revert to speaker choices but I understand why. It took me a while to understand how important speakers really are in Z amps. Still though, I would take a Z, any Z, with. Poor speaker choice over a mass produced, off the shelf popular big name modern built amp.
Anyway, it has been mentioned that the Therapy will be one of those important pieces of equipment that will be a milestone. This is something that I've agreed with and have mentioned in prior posts.to me it's like the good old green stomp box or even vintage Paul or Leo...yes I said it.
I think that in the OP it was mentioned how true appreciation can't be gained by only playing around in the music store. This can not be more true with the Therapy. There are too many factors (or at least my factors). The amp should be in the mix, the tubes should be hot, you need to be standing up and away from the amp, etc. this is when the Therapy can really be appreciated for the gem it is. Yes, I can make it sound great in the music store or bedroom, but the thing needs to run with the other wild stallions.
As for speaker choice...tried my V30, it was pretty darn great but liked my bridge pup better with my Creamback 65. So with that said, I switched back to the Cream. I play mainly Tele's. I think the V30 would probably be the way to go with my Strat or a Les Paul. I'm sure I'll be making no more speaker switches.
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Post by purpletele on Aug 15, 2017 10:09:09 GMT -7
^^^+1000
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Post by ampedup on Aug 27, 2017 9:22:49 GMT -7
Thanks guys, I think a Therapy is next for me. Now to raise some funds!
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