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Post by bigben55 on Dec 11, 2018 11:17:20 GMT -7
I've been interested in the ET65; that's what they recommended to me. Having had a Greenback(and NOT liking it) the Green Beret and Invader wont make my list. Too much MIDS, in an amp that already has plenty. I dont consider the Z28 a "bright" amp, so extra highs wont hurt. I love WGS stuff, have had several. Went with the Reaper HP due to good highs, subdued mids and enough wattage, but it does have too much bass. I dont not like it, I actually do like it but again, wish it had less bass. If you get an ET65, be sure to tell us about it! Just spoke with WGS and they recommend the following speakers: Green Beret Invader for more head room ET-65 for more high end sparkle and full bottom. When I told him I wanted a bit more high end he gushed about the Et65. Seems like I’ll pull the trigger on either an invader or Et65. Anyone with experience with both care to chime in Read more: ztalk.proboards.com/thread/75958/1x12-speaker-help?page=1#ixzz5ZOsoIixl
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Post by John on Dec 13, 2018 18:16:35 GMT -7
Just spoke with WGS and they recommend the following speakers: Green Beret Invader for more head room ET-65 for more high end sparkle and full bottom. When I told him I wanted a bit more high end he gushed about the Et65. Seems like I’ll pull the trigger on either an invader or Et65. Anyone with experience with both care to chime in?
ET-65 for more high end sparkle? This makes no sense. This speaker has a big dust cover...which attenuates the crispy high end 'sparkle'. I think it would be a great speaker for buzzy amps (certain Mesa amps come to mind), but certainly not a Z-28
When I had my Z-28, it came with a greenback. Now I love the greenback, but I thought it was too much midrange when thrown in with an amp that already has a lot of mids. So I replaced it with a Celestion H-30...a speaker I don't normally like, but it's got recessed mids, big bass and crispy high end. On paper, it seems the the perfect speaker for the Z-28. I played a few gigs with it, but it seemed like there was too much bass, and I couldn't dial it out. I needed the bass of the amp turned up for some drive. (that 3-3-3 setting!) In the end, I put the greenback back in there, and realized it was better.
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Post by trojanhov on Dec 13, 2018 21:04:51 GMT -7
Just spoke with WGS and they recommend the following speakers: Green Beret Invader for more head room ET-65 for more high end sparkle and full bottom. When I told him I wanted a bit more high end he gushed about the Et65. Seems like I’ll pull the trigger on either an invader or Et65. Anyone with experience with both care to chime in?
ET-65 for more high end sparkle? This makes no sense. This speaker has a big dust cover...which attenuates the crispy high end 'sparkle'. I think it would be a great speaker for buzzy amps (certain Mesa amps come to mind), but certainly not a Z-28
When I had my Z-28, it came with a greenback. Now I love the greenback, but I thought it was too much midrange when thrown in with an amp that already has a lot of mids. So I replaced it with a Celestion H-30...a speaker I don't normally like, but it's got recessed mids, big bass and crispy high end. On paper, it seems the the perfect speaker for the Z-28. I played a few gigs with it, but it seemed like there was too much bass, and I couldn't dial it out. I needed the bass of the amp turned up for some drive. (that 3-3-3 setting!) In the end, I put the greenback back in there, and realized it was better.
Would a greenback type speaker pair well with a gold? Wondering about the cream back as well. I read that about the et65 on other forums... that it does well taming highs. My thought is just to stay as is for now. I played the gold and Rex combo again at higher volumes and I feel that they really balance each other out. Don’t know what happened the other day but the 10 inch gold sounded uninspiring compared to the rex (even when paired, I preferred the rex alone). When I played it again the other day it sounded much better together.
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Post by bigben55 on Dec 14, 2018 6:46:43 GMT -7
That "too much bass" thing is what I'm dealing with, with the Reaoer HP. But to my ear, it's still MUCH better than the Greenback. I liked the Greenback clean, clean and loud, even at the edge of breakup. But cranked, ala 333, it just mushed out. It was like it was caving in on itself. All mids, and it wasn't very loud, and the clean headroom was low. The Reaper HP fixed all that....just with too much bass. A Reaper HP with less, but tighter bass would be almost perfect for me. Maybe slightly less mids and slightly more highs, but just slightly. Regarding the large dust cap on the ET65, while I have no first hand experience with that one, I did contact Jim at Scumback speakers. He KNOWS speakers like darn near no one else. I filled out his questionnaire, and we emailed back and forth a bit, and he recommended his H75-LD, 65 watt for my Z28. He said he knows the amp, and has multiple customers who love this combo. It's a large dust cap too. He said since I play some pedals, and strictly single could guitars, the large dust cap will help balance everything. I reinterrated that the Z28 was not a "bright" amp and i dont want less highs and he still recommended that one.
ET-65 for more high end sparkle? This makes no sense. This speaker has a big dust cover...which attenuates the crispy high end 'sparkle'. I think it would be a great speaker for buzzy amps (certain Mesa amps come to mind), but certainly not a Z-28
When I had my Z-28, it came with a greenback. Now I love the greenback, but I thought it was too much midrange when thrown in with an amp that already has a lot of mids. So I replaced it with a Celestion H-30...a speaker I don't normally like, but it's got recessed mids, big bass and crispy high end. On paper, it seems the the perfect speaker for the Z-28. I played a few gigs with it, but it seemed like there was too much bass, and I couldn't dial it out. I needed the bass of the amp turned up for some drive. (that 3-3-3 setting!) In the end, I put the greenback back in there, and realized it was better.
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Post by trojanhov on Dec 21, 2018 0:17:39 GMT -7
Wife surprised me with the ET-65. It’s loaded in my convertible cab. Will report out shortly
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Post by bigben55 on Dec 21, 2018 7:00:51 GMT -7
I went ahead and bought a used Z12 speaker. I haven't got it yet, will report likewise when I get it.
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Post by trojanhov on Dec 21, 2018 11:58:45 GMT -7
Just wanted to give you guys my first impressions of the ET-65 with the z-28. I had to play at lower volumes because I have two young ones at home and it was late. For what it’s worth, I’d play the cannabis Rex with similar settings.
I’m going to pretty much compare it to the cannabis Rex I have been playing for a bit. Keep in mind that the cannabis Rex has been sitting in a blues JR for the better part of 9-10 years with extensive use, so it is well broken in. Just FYI, I love the rex and it has a beautiful mellow/darker tone to it. I would say the highs are smoother and can seem a bit subdued. Playing my suhr Classic t on the bridge is fine, but it’s hard to peak through the mix in neck and middle positions. Just a bit too dark which is why I’ve been looking at other speakers.
The ET-65 out of the box is definitely not as dark/warm/mellow sounding as the cannabis Rex. I wouldn’t say it has chime, but the highs are pleasing and not shrill, but it definitely has more highs than the rex. So much so that the way I set bass and treble is completely different now. With the rex bass was usually around 9 oclock and treble was around 11-12 and volume to taste. With the ET-65, I’m setting the bass and treble both at around 10 or 11. With the suhr Classic t, there’s definition and clarity in all three positions, which is what I was hoping for. The ET-65 is not lacking in bass though, it just had less than what I’m used to hearing with a broken in rex. Overall the ET-65 seems very balanced to my ears so far, more treble than I’m used to with a 12 inch speaker, but I think as the speaker breaks in, it will smooth out a bit more. It does feel like it’s a tad bit stiff, but I think a bit of loud playing will loosen things up a bit and it will open up more. Again, this is at low volumes. I’m itching to crank it up and push the speaker with drives and see what happens.
The gretsch with this speaker is awesome. The hs filtertrons tend to push the amp a bit harder and can sound darker than the classic t, so I’m loving the way this speaker matches with the filtertrons (as opposed to the rex) and I would assume it’d be great with humbuckers as well.
Just some initial thoughts.
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Post by bigben55 on Dec 21, 2018 13:02:37 GMT -7
I received the Z12 today, installed it along with a fresh pair of JJ 6V6s(old ones had 8-9 months on them, were starting to rattle though still sounded good). I just got done playing it, but it has 10 or so hours on it already from the previous owner. Smooth and balanced are the 2 words that immediately come to mind. Not as much treble(a tad less) and nowhere near as much bass as the WGS Reaper HP. I wouldn't say its "chimey" either. I was shooting for less bass, so that's a plus. It definitely handles more amp overdrive without getting too wooly. The mids seem neutral with the Z28, which means they're probably perfect. I dont hear over midded mush, nor a scoop. I dont think it's quite as loud but is plenty loud. Dont think it has as much clean headroom, but has plenty headroom. Sounded good straight in and with pedals, with a strat or P90 tele. And the amp probably lost 2 lbs.
Based on my needs, I'm happy with it. It fixed the too much bass thing without sacrificing much of anything. Is it the be all end all Z28 speaker? IDK, I'd still like to hear a Celestion Alnico Creamback, but at 3 Bill's, it can wait.
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Post by trojanhov on Dec 22, 2018 0:24:38 GMT -7
Update: I had about 30 minutes of pounding the ET-65 with a looper and a bassy drive sound with and without verb delay, etc. you wouldn’t think that 30 minutes of this would make a big difference, but I feel like I have a diff speaker now. The mids and highs got a bit more smooth. Bass is still there but not overpowering. Feel like it settled In nicely. What a joy it was to play. Will get to play a bit louder tomorrow. Also not sure if my ears are getting used to hearing the speaker more now and growing towards it’s sound. So many different variables. The clean sounds are awesome!
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Post by goodez on Apr 4, 2019 19:46:45 GMT -7
Yep. I had a G12C/S in a 5E3 once, great speaker, very clean with great headroom. I look at specs too, but I've always been an "American speaker" guy. The Doc seems to favor Greenbacks and Creambacks in the Z28, so that speaks volumes to me. But I'm torn about the Greenback. I will use the amp mostly with pedals, and surprisingly the GB doesn't flub out with the amp loud and clean then hit with an OD pedal. But I also want to be able to skip the pedals and 333 the Z, and the GB can't take it IMO. It's well broken in to. I just want to try something in the British vein thats has more backbone. I like alnicos sometimes, but generally buy ceramics. The alnicos in my Super Reverb are never coming out! You know for the first time yesterday I went straight into the z28 with the 12” gold, set it on 3-3-3 and it just farted/fuzzed 😢😬. I’m hoping I didn’t blow the speaker during the break in process when I got it last year? It sounds absolutely amazing in the clean range and does the low gain thing very well with an ocd pedal. However, up at that power level the 12” gold sounded terrible. Has anyone else experienced this? I don’t anticipate ever playing it that loud but just want to make sure there’s nothing wrong with the speaker. Maybe try the Db4 through the 12” gold and crank it up to 2-3 and see what happens?
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Post by bigben55 on Apr 5, 2019 16:20:11 GMT -7
I really like the Scumback H75 in my Z28, except it has too much bass. I should have went with the J75. I've been looking for a used one for weeks, a 65 watter, to no avail. So, I've been trading some gear and wound up with another amp, a Valvetrain Saratoga. Another killer little amp, a 1x12 16 watt 6V6 combo. It's similar to my Z28 but is cathode bias with s 5Y3 rectifier, has a MV and a more Marshally preamp. Its gainier, less bassy and brighter than the Z28, but I still prefer the Z clean and with pedals. It came with an Eminence Wizard, which I dont like. Too loud, to "everything." Sold it, put the Scumback in it and its PERFECT for it. It's big bass makes up for the amps lack thereof.
So the Z28 needed a speaker. Was ready to order a J75 but ran across a mint Celestion G12H30 70th anniversary with 20 hrs on it for $70, bought it, put it in the Z28. It has less bass than the Scumback and sounds really good! Its a tad louder, not "as smooth" or "as immediate" with the notes, but I'm surprised how well it stacked up. I still prefer the H75, but that one is better in the Valvetrain than it is in the Z28 actually.
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Post by jmg on Apr 5, 2019 18:31:11 GMT -7
This is one of those threads that will result in a ton of great suggestions. The OP was asking about a Fenderish speaker that could handle drive better, if I'm interpreting the OP correctly. As much as I dig the Z-12, I would call it a more textured and mid balanced Fender Oxford than that scooped Fender Jensen sound. So the Z-12 might be the best thing, which I think the OP is finding to be a nice option. I also recommend the Celestion A-Type for that Fenderish tone with a twist. My Princeton Tweed came stock with a 12 inch Cannabix Rex, but I've never been the biggest fan of that speaker. Some folks really love it and it does deliver a big bottom end. I just find it to be a bit too smooth, almost jazzy. YMMV. I dropped a 12 inch A Type in the Princeton Tweed as a replacement and boy am I happy I did. It has a huge bottom but manages to stay firm somehow, and the top end chime is there with just a touch of Celestion midrange punch. It's not totally scooped like a Jensen, but I kinda dig that. It sounds like I work for Celestion or something, but it really is a cool speaker with a unique thing going on. This Pete Thorn demo can attest to it better than I ever could. Might want to give it a look-see:
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Apr 6, 2019 6:47:18 GMT -7
I’m running my Z28 through a 2x12 with with Weber Ceramic Signature 12S. An inexpensive, very Fender sounding 12”. Early breakup (what I was after) and a little brighter, which is good IMO for the Z28. www.tedweber.com/sig12f-s
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Post by jbones on May 21, 2019 12:57:14 GMT -7
I got a Jensen p12n from a friend that he took out of one of his Victorias and am VERY impressed. Anyone ever used any Jensen speakers with one? Also I have an Eminence JS 1250 that is very bass-y in there... Does the bass mellow out as the speaker breaks in? I'm somewhat new to the rabbit hole of speaker swapping... So hopefully no one will tell me I'm an idiot just yet lol
THANKS!
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Post by mrdannyboy on May 22, 2019 13:26:56 GMT -7
Expensive but I just got a Celestion Alnico Cream, 90 watts absolutely the best speaker I’ve ever used. There Around at a decent price and if you’re patient. Good luck with the quest.
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