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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 15:05:28 GMT -7
Considering NOS tube stocks are diminishing, and a seemingly lack of quality current production tubes? korgnutube.com/en/Or is just going full blown digital the answer? Kind of cool nonetheless...
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Post by BritInvasion on May 2, 2017 17:04:54 GMT -7
Interesting. I guess it could be the future if production of standard vacuum tubes actually ceased ( hard to imagine ). There's also analog solid state. But I think conventional tubes will be around for a long time , even with the quality headaches.
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Post by John on May 3, 2017 6:29:12 GMT -7
Operates exactly like a triode vacuum tube? But what about sensitivity, dynamics and frequency response along the dynamic spectrum? We shall see....
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Post by zpilot on May 3, 2017 8:08:09 GMT -7
I've heard this claim over and over again starting with the atrocious solid-state Fender amps in the late '60's.
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Post by Rockerfeller on May 3, 2017 8:37:23 GMT -7
I will wait until the good Dr. himself passes judgement on such a bold claim. :0
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Post by drk on May 4, 2017 19:45:58 GMT -7
A few years ago it wasn't hard to buy enough NOS tubesto be set for life (because they can last for decades). So I'm set. If your concerned the Russian EL84 S used in Z amps are still affordable. Buy 'em and stash 'em. A couple extra sets will last you career.
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Post by Maddog on May 5, 2017 5:52:28 GMT -7
Nutube doesn't look very user friendly (replacement-wise should one fail)....But maybe it's more stable than regular vacuum tubes... Interesting tho!
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Post by wubberdubber on May 5, 2017 12:17:03 GMT -7
Yes, interesting, but sure looks like a tech-only replacement situation. With so many tube amps in the field and more being made all the time, it seems unlikely that the vacuum tube is going to be extinct any time soon. Will be interesting to hear Doc's (and other tube-amp manufacturers) take on this.
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Post by BritInvasion on May 5, 2017 19:55:57 GMT -7
I've heard this claim over and over again starting with the atrocious solid-state Fender amps in the late '60's. Man they were bad , weren't they? And danged ugly too.
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Post by helmi on May 7, 2017 14:05:01 GMT -7
time to start saving for a Kemper!
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Post by zpilot on May 7, 2017 16:40:28 GMT -7
A few years ago it wasn't hard to buy enough NOS tubesto be set for life (because they can last for decades). So I'm set. If your concerned the Russian EL84 S used in Z amps are still affordable. Buy 'em and stash 'em. A couple extra sets will last you career. Done.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Jun 13, 2017 15:45:46 GMT -7
Yeah, I think I'll wait until Doc releases an amp using them. I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by nicholas on Jun 13, 2017 17:14:20 GMT -7
I've found the argument that new tubes aren't good is usually pushed by a company with a solid state or digital agenda. I've got no issues with current production tubes. In an amazing amp they sound amazing I suppose the future is however solid state of some sort. But the guitar amp may be the only product in existence where 1950 tech is deemed better. It might be a while before tube amps fizzle out. Probably long after I'm gone.
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Post by Rhythmark on Jun 16, 2017 15:01:25 GMT -7
Tubes and tube amps will stay because they are like the Hot rods of guitar world. Fire up a good tube amp nothing like it!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 15:53:08 GMT -7
I can tell you right now that the future is digital. It's really getting very, very impressive, and the cost is almost reasonable.
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Post by drk on Jun 17, 2017 12:11:17 GMT -7
I've found the argument that new tubes aren't good is usually pushed by a company with a solid state or digital agenda. I've got no issues with current production tubes. In an amazing amp they sound amazing I suppose the future is however solid state of some sort. But the guitar amp may be the only product in existence where 1950 tech is deemed better. It might be a while before tube amps fizzle out. Probably long after I'm gone. The difference in tone and reliability is real. If you haven't owned and heard old tubes you wouldn't know. New tubes are reasonable for the price. And if you use some effects (esp distortion) you won't notice the difference. But an old set of old Mullard EL34s in a Marshall is like no other tone.
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Post by nicholas on Jun 17, 2017 14:07:58 GMT -7
I've found the argument that new tubes aren't good is usually pushed by a company with a solid state or digital agenda. I've got no issues with current production tubes. In an amazing amp they sound amazing I suppose the future is however solid state of some sort. But the guitar amp may be the only product in existence where 1950 tech is deemed better. It might be a while before tube amps fizzle out. Probably long after I'm gone. The difference in tone and reliability is real. If you haven't owned and heard old tubes you wouldn't know. New tubes are reasonable for the price. And if you use some effects (esp distortion) you won't notice the difference. But an old set of old Mullard EL34s in a Marshall is like no other tone. I don't disagree. But good NOS tubes are getting harder to find. I've done my share of tube exploring. But over the last three or four years I've just been sticking to new production and have been happy overall. Not dissing NOS. But I believe some new production tubes are plenty good enough. Plenty reliable. I've grown to enjoy them and the low cost.
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Post by drk on Jun 17, 2017 20:02:32 GMT -7
The difference in tone and reliability is real. If you haven't owned and heard old tubes you wouldn't know. New tubes are reasonable for the price. And if you use some effects (esp distortion) you won't notice the difference. But an old set of old Mullard EL34s in a Marshall is like no other tone. I don't disagree. But good NOS tubes are getting harder to find. I've done my share of tube exploring. But over the last three or four years I've just been sticking to new production and have been happy overall. Not dissing NOS. But I believe some new production tubes are plenty good enough. Plenty reliable. I've grown to enjoy them and the low cost. Agree there. And the concerns about reliability and longevity are offset by the cheaper price. Replacing current production tubes at $20-40 a pair is easier to swallow than blowing a NOS tube at $300-400 a pair and about 1/10 the price. This discussion wouldn't be that interesting if Z amps weren't so transparent and expressive.
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Post by zpilot on Jun 18, 2017 17:17:56 GMT -7
I've found the argument that new tubes aren't good is usually pushed by a company with a solid state or digital agenda. I've got no issues with current production tubes. In an amazing amp they sound amazing I suppose the future is however solid state of some sort. But the guitar amp may be the only product in existence where 1950 tech is deemed better. It might be a while before tube amps fizzle out. Probably long after I'm gone. The difference in tone and reliability is real. If you haven't owned and heard old tubes you wouldn't know. New tubes are reasonable for the price. And if you use some effects (esp distortion) you won't notice the difference. But an old set of old Mullard EL34s in a Marshall is like no other tone. I agree. If you play with an OD pedal most of the time then NOS tubes are a waste of money. However if your dirt comes from the amp they might be worth it. If you've gotten used to new tubes, as most players have, and are happy with them then stock up on the ones you like because there is no guarantee the same quality of tube will be available in the future.
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