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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Mar 4, 2017 3:00:23 GMT -7
A very specific question here......NOT ambient verb, but verb as an Effect, and not the Z Verb ( wonderful though that is, I don't want to lug another head around - the Cure would be very much for grab and go use, so lightness and economy of gear is a must!)
Again, not looking at massively complex / expensive pedals
Anyone recommend small form factor pedals? I see the Z video uses an Earthquaker pedal..........any others tried and tested?
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Post by doctorice on Mar 4, 2017 6:47:27 GMT -7
Pete, I plugged a Strymon Flint in the Cure's effects loop, and it sounded very good. Multiple (vintage-sounding) reverb and trem options at a price. I no longer own any standalone reverb-only pedals, just the Flint.
I'm sure you'll get many additional suggestions.
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Mar 4, 2017 6:55:33 GMT -7
I saw a Verbzilla from line 6 for $75 on reverb.com - sounded interesting for a small price
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Post by lowbudget on Mar 4, 2017 6:59:31 GMT -7
Pete, I plugged a Strymon Flint in the Cure's effects loop, and it sounded very good. Multiple (vintage-sounding) reverb and trem options at a price. I no longer own any standalone reverb-only pedals, just the Flint. I'm sure you'll get many additional suggestions. Mike, not to hijack Pete's thread but do you notice any volume loss when engaging the Flint? I'm really struggling with what I perceive as the complexity of the Flint as opposed to the simplicity of the Mr. Black Deluxe Plus. It's hard not to go with the Flint though because so many folks love it.
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Post by doctorice on Mar 4, 2017 7:05:37 GMT -7
Pete, I plugged a Strymon Flint in the Cure's effects loop, and it sounded very good. Multiple (vintage-sounding) reverb and trem options at a price. I no longer own any standalone reverb-only pedals, just the Flint. I'm sure you'll get many additional suggestions. Mike, not to hijack Pete's thread but do you notice any volume loss when engaging the Flint? I'm really struggling with what I perceive as the complexity of the Flint as opposed to the simplicity of the Mr. Black Deluxe Plus. It's hard not to go with the Flint though because so many folks love it. Maybe a tiny bit, although I tend to keep the mix level fairly low, the old "just a touch of 'verb" approach. Easily compensated for as I'm mostly reverb on. I did not bother with reverb when I gigged the Cure, and I didn't miss it.
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Post by Stephen on Mar 4, 2017 7:07:44 GMT -7
+1 on the Strymon Flint
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Post by captainron (Ron) on Mar 4, 2017 8:18:13 GMT -7
I love the neunaber Wet reverb pedal. Standard footprint size. I have a Z-verb but don't feel like taking it out of the house much. I use a Strymon Timeline for delays...and always hear great things about the Strymon Flint. I think you'd be happy with either. Good luck with the decision.
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Post by zaddn on Mar 4, 2017 8:44:17 GMT -7
Another vote for the flint.
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Post by mickey on Mar 4, 2017 9:06:37 GMT -7
I bought a HOF Mini to use in front of my Ghia, and it's perfect for that; I don't like too many knobs! If I bought a Cure, (that's IF, not WHEN.....for now!), that's the first reverb I'd try in the loop. Anyone else use one?
Edit....I just use mine for ambient reverb, and I just re-read your post, Pete!
One more thing, I couldn't live with any volume loss when putting a pedal in the loop, interesting that this is being reported by kfkm below.....
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Post by kfkm on Mar 4, 2017 9:11:24 GMT -7
The flint didn't work for me. I am currently using a J Rockett Boing pedal in front of the amp and it is very convincing. The PG review stated they used a Mad Professor Silver Spring in the loop and it worked good. I haven't found any that seem to work in the loop yet without a perceivable volume loss. I might try the Mad Professor as I really want something for the loop that I can place and leave and forget. For now the Boing works great.
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Post by nmz on Mar 4, 2017 9:17:32 GMT -7
I love the neunaber Wet reverb pedal. Standard footprint size. I have a Z-verb but don't feel like taking it out of the house much. I use a Strymon Timeline for delays...and always hear great things about the Strymon Flint. I think you'd be happy with either. Good luck with the decision. +1 WET I had a flint and really wanted it to be the end all but just didn't work out.
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Post by Paul (TRANE) on Mar 4, 2017 11:17:48 GMT -7
The redd verb is great. It is made here in Austin by Durham Electronics.
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Post by Faze on Mar 4, 2017 13:37:11 GMT -7
Pete, I plugged a Strymon Flint in the Cure's effects loop, and it sounded very good. Multiple (vintage-sounding) reverb and trem options at a price. I no longer own any standalone reverb-only pedals, just the Flint. I'm sure you'll get many additional suggestions. I really want to try the flint with the Cure. I have the el Capistan delay And can't say enough good things about it. It ended my search for a good delay pedal. Strymon makes some great pedals.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Mar 4, 2017 14:22:44 GMT -7
Interesting guys........thanks! This isn't an ambient always on thing, but for a few songs which need noticeable reverb. Over here (UK) the Mad Prof Silver Spring gets a lot of praise, so glad to see it endorsed on here too. I'll need to try a WET, a Flint (I suspect too complex and too expensive) and a Silver Spring.........plus any of the others I can find over here.
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Post by kfkm on Mar 4, 2017 14:33:53 GMT -7
So who is using the reverb in the effects loop and if so what type? I've tried multiple but just can't seem to find one to put in the loop that doesn't cut the volume of the amp down.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Mar 4, 2017 15:17:18 GMT -7
I've been using a Fender Bassbreaker 15 combo as my grab and go recently - great amp btw - but want to replace it with a Cure, however, I've found the onboard reverb more useful than I thought I would (I haven't used reverb since getting my first Z amp 11 years ago!)
Hence my questions about outboard reverb pedals..........
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Post by frankie on Mar 4, 2017 15:58:13 GMT -7
So who is using the reverb in the effects loop and if so what type? I've tried multiple but just can't seem to find one to put in the loop that doesn't cut the volume of the amp down. Most strymon pedals have a secondary functions when both switches are depressed. As for the flint, it has +/- 3 dB boost to make up for perceived volume losses for both the trem and verb functions. Both trem and verb are effects that have a tendency to cut perceived volume depending on where the mix is set. For the Flint hold both switches and turn the mix knobs to cut or boost.
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Post by kfkm on Mar 4, 2017 16:50:34 GMT -7
I did the secondary functions on the flint and still wasn't happy with it. I am happy with the Boing right now but I would like something for the effects loop with a level or boost that would even out the sound. Sitting in with my friend's band tonight so it will be my first outing with the Cure. I will give my review tomorrow.
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Post by simpleton on Mar 4, 2017 20:43:27 GMT -7
I did the secondary functions on the flint and still wasn't happy with it. I am happy with the Boing right now but I would like something for the effects loop with a level or boost that would even out the sound. Sitting in with my friend's band tonight so it will be my first outing with the Cure. I will give my review tomorrow. Could be a little Buffer would help....not sure but some true bypass pedals might lose volume more than buffered types. Also a EHX LPB1 is a cheap clean boost type pedal if you need a bit a volume added in. I've seen them used for $25 -$35 ... You probably have thought about this but just in case. I'm eager for the review of your gig.
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Post by greenblues58 on Mar 5, 2017 3:26:11 GMT -7
Is the loop on the Cure unbuffered like the MAZ 18 NR ? Specs on Website just say effects loop. Just wondering as a short patch to a buffer then effects,currently a faux spring reverb, in the loop on my NR makes all the difference like taking a blanket off the front of the speaker.
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Post by doctorice on Mar 5, 2017 5:23:16 GMT -7
Dan and Mick run through some options here. To be sure, several of those tested are way expensive and/or large.
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Post by teddysalad on Mar 5, 2017 9:59:33 GMT -7
I bought a HOF Mini to use in front of my Ghia, and it's perfect for that; I don't like too many knobs! If I bought a Cure, (that's IF, not WHEN.....for now!), that's the first reverb I'd try in the loop. Anyone else use one? Edit....I just use mine for ambient reverb, and I just re-read your post, Pete! One more thing, I couldn't live with any volume loss when putting a pedal in the loop, interesting that this is being reported by kfkm below..... I have a HOF Mini that I really like. The Albert Lee go-to-reverb TonePrint is one of my favorites. I've been using it in front of my Ghia and it sounds great. Just recently got a Cure and tried it out in the loop. My first impression was not good. Doesn't bother me tho since my pedals sound great in front of the Ghia and Cure as a stereo pair!
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Post by mickey on Mar 5, 2017 10:14:39 GMT -7
I bought a HOF Mini to use in front of my Ghia, and it's perfect for that; I don't like too many knobs! If I bought a Cure, (that's IF, not WHEN.....for now!), that's the first reverb I'd try in the loop. Anyone else use one? Edit....I just use mine for ambient reverb, and I just re-read your post, Pete! One more thing, I couldn't live with any volume loss when putting a pedal in the loop, interesting that this is being reported by kfkm below..... I have a HOF Mini that I really like. The Albert Lee go-to-reverb TonePrint is one of my favorites. I've been using it in front of my Ghia and it sounds great. Just recently got a Cure and tried it out in the loop. My first impression was not good. Doesn't bother me tho since my pedals sound great in front of the Ghia and Cure as a stereo pair! By "not good" do you mean there's a volume drop? Is the loop send level actually suitable for pedals, does anyone know? I had a Boogie with a loop, but you could realistically only use rack effects in there.
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Post by teddysalad on Mar 5, 2017 11:28:36 GMT -7
I have a HOF Mini that I really like. The Albert Lee go-to-reverb TonePrint is one of my favorites. I've been using it in front of my Ghia and it sounds great. Just recently got a Cure and tried it out in the loop. My first impression was not good. Doesn't bother me tho since my pedals sound great in front of the Ghia and Cure as a stereo pair! By "not good" do you mean there's a volume drop? Is the loop send level actually suitable for pedals, does anyone know? I had a Boogie with a loop, but you could realistically only use rack effects in there. Sorry that was vague. What I was referring to was the pedal seemed to add unpleasant distortion at higher gain settings. Especially with the tone bypass engaged. I just tried the HOF in the loop again and to my ears there's a very slight volume drop when the pedal is engaged. Almost imperceptible. But that's overshadowed by the extra distortion I mentioned. With the amp set to a clean tone I don't sense a drop in volume at all.
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Post by mickey on Mar 5, 2017 11:43:07 GMT -7
By "not good" do you mean there's a volume drop? Is the loop send level actually suitable for pedals, does anyone know? I had a Boogie with a loop, but you could realistically only use rack effects in there. Sorry that was vague. What I was referring to was the pedal seemed to add unpleasant distortion at higher gain settings. Especially with the tone bypass engaged. I just tried the HOF in the loop again and to my ears there's a very slight volume drop when the pedal is engaged. Almost imperceptible. But that's overshadowed by the extra distortion I mentioned. With the amp set to a clean tone I don't sense a drop in volume at all. Thanks; I could easily be wrong but that suggests the loop's send level might vary with the amount of gain the amp is set to produce, and/or that the loop is post the gain stage, as adding reverb to an already distorted signal never sounds good. Could someone set me straight? Pete, not trying to hijack your post, sorry if that's what it seems! This could be useful info though.
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Post by justjoshinya on Mar 5, 2017 18:47:40 GMT -7
I'm using a flint on the front end with great results!
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Post by msterling45 on Mar 7, 2017 9:31:07 GMT -7
+1 for the Flint. Greatest reverb pedal I've played. Had one with my Ghia for 3 years and it'll cover literally everything
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Post by digs57 on Mar 7, 2017 13:58:02 GMT -7
Heard a lot a good thing about the wet reverb...im a flint guy I guess (just added #2 to other board ) ...but the "wet" would be my next shot.
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Post by telewolf on Mar 7, 2017 15:01:03 GMT -7
Anyone use the Keeley Delay Workstation?
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Post by Jefferson on Mar 7, 2017 19:07:22 GMT -7
I love the earthquaker dispatch master
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