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Post by ss "Shane" on Jan 29, 2017 19:13:22 GMT -7
I really need to stand further away from my amp when I play...further than my 10' cable allows. I want to buy a 20' cable to use from the amp to the pedal board and use a 10' cable from the pedal board to the guitar. My pedal board only consist of 5 pedals.
Here's the thing, I've read/heard that as the cable gets longer the tone will suffer. I don't wanna take anything away from my tone. Is a 20', pedal board and 10' cable too much?
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Post by simpleton on Jan 29, 2017 19:18:06 GMT -7
i heard Jimi Hewndrix used the coil cable to cause a high end loss.....cable length isn't good or bad. Tone will be no issue with 20' over 10' in my opinion....at least nothing exciting. However, in this day of true bypass mythology and high end retaining EVERYTHING....we could stand to lose a bit I bet.
PCNS cables are great and affordable....I have a 15' or 20' one with the tip that stays silent when you change guitars, and I love it!
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Post by ss "Shane" on Jan 29, 2017 19:31:02 GMT -7
I'll give a huge +1 for PCNS cables. I bought three speaker cables from him and their the best I've ever owned. When I decide on length I'll get cables from him again. I'm not sure which ones to buy because I'm far from technical lol. I know I want them to be thick and heavy duty like my speaker cables. Thanks Simpleton!
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Post by j4gitr (John) on Jan 29, 2017 19:37:21 GMT -7
I'm running a 20' to my board and a 20' from guitar to board, both PCNS Maxxx XP cables. If I'm losing any sound, its probably not needed. Honestly they are great cables from a great couple of Z-folks.
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Post by pcns on Jan 29, 2017 19:57:05 GMT -7
My experience with cable length is that up to 18 to 20ft without any noticeable loss. I had to listen very hard to hear anything when I did the testing. I spec'd my Maxxx XP cable for 18ft length. Anything beyond is slightly different but I had to really work to hear anything. Of course, this is all dependant on how sensitive your ears are. It has already been mentioned in previous post that the tone changes from longer arent necessarily good or bad, just different. Typically there is a loss in the high end with a longer cable and that will vary from cable to cable. Hope this helps, Todd
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Post by mudman on Jan 29, 2017 20:06:16 GMT -7
Put a buffer at the beginning of your board. Problem solved! I clearly hear a difference between 10' and 30' of cable. Maybe I'm weird.
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Post by soupbone on Jan 30, 2017 15:26:21 GMT -7
Put a buffer at the beginning of your board. Problem solved! I clearly hear a difference between 10' and 30' of cable. Maybe I'm weird. I was about to say this.
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Post by ianrossiter on Feb 2, 2017 12:32:21 GMT -7
If you have a BOSS TU-2/3, you probably already have one at the start of your chain!!
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Post by Paul (TRANE) on Feb 2, 2017 12:36:38 GMT -7
At church I have 20 ft cable to amp from the wah....20 ft from wah to guitar....never had an issue tone wise.
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Post by John on Feb 2, 2017 15:15:00 GMT -7
If you have a BOSS TU-2/3, you probably already have one at the start of your chain!! If I understand it correctly...any BOSS pedal is a buffer. Arrange it so the cable that's plugged into the amp.....at the other end is a BOSS stomp box. And some people like that natural rolloff of highs that a longer cable provides.
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Post by ianrossiter on Feb 3, 2017 0:20:54 GMT -7
The general consensus is to have it as close to the start of the chain as possible. Most,if not all Boss pedals are buffered,but I'm not 100% on that.
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Post by zpilot on Feb 4, 2017 13:09:30 GMT -7
There's some roll-off of highs and, as has been noted by others, that can be good OR bad. You might be able to compensate for that by adjusting EQ on the amp. Here's where I think the main problem is. As the capacitance of the cable increases so does the interaction of your volume control on your highs. Maybe if a player kept the capacitance low enough he wouldn't need a treble-bleed mod to his guitar.
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Post by John on Feb 4, 2017 16:20:43 GMT -7
This will explain the roll off of the highs, and how a long or short cable plays into it. I know this is about a buffer, but the concept of long cables taking away highs is in this video. It's long, but it's great. Watch the whole thing, but I think if you want to hold the discussion of long cables killing treble...that starts around 6:30
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