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Post by JeffG on Jan 27, 2017 9:22:16 GMT -7
I could be wrong, but as far as I know there aren't any tubes being made in America due to environmental regulations. Does anyone know what those specific regulations are? Is there a possibility of those regulations being eased under the new administration in Washington?
I am NOT trying to be political. I'm just curious if we could see any tubes being made here in America in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 9:33:01 GMT -7
I doubt it. I work in manufacturing and deal with government affairs and the EPA daily. We try to manufacture 99% of our products here in the states, but the EPA has, and will always make it difficult financially to produce items such as tubes here.
Technically, there's nothing stopping a company from manufacturing tubes in the states, but there really isn't a big market for $200 EL84's...
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Post by KeithA on Jan 27, 2017 9:35:11 GMT -7
Technically, there's nothing stopping a company from manufacturing tubes in the states, but there really isn't a big market for $200 EL84's... You took the words right out of my mouth
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Post by JeffG on Jan 27, 2017 9:38:33 GMT -7
Thanks for answering my question. Not exactly what I wanted to hear, but then again I don't want to pay $200 for tubes either.
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Post by helmi on Jan 27, 2017 16:49:10 GMT -7
We try to manufacture 99% of our products here in the states, but the EPA has, and will always make it difficult financially to produce items such as tubes here. another agency that has WAY too much power!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 17:04:38 GMT -7
We try to manufacture 99% of our products here in the states, but the EPA has, and will always make it difficult financially to produce items such as tubes here. another agency that has WAY too much power! Absolutely! And again, without getting political, hopefully now that we have someone who understands business running the show, we can actually get back to policies that are conducive to conducting business, not prohibitive...
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Post by simpleton on Jan 28, 2017 7:41:13 GMT -7
How do you all get rid of old tubes? Trash? Recycling? Hazardous waste? I have them in a bag waiting to have a right way to dispose of......when I put them in the trash, in the past, I've always thought " You're doing it wrong Simpleton"
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Post by purpletele on Jan 28, 2017 7:58:56 GMT -7
How do you all get rid of old tubes? Trash? Recycling? Hazardous waste? I have them in a bag waiting to have a right way to dispose of......when I put them in the trash, in the past, I've always thought " You're doing it wrong Simpleton" I put mine in recycling
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Post by Stan on Jan 28, 2017 8:56:46 GMT -7
Excuse me not knowing,
what's in tubes that interests the EPA?
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Post by simpleton on Jan 28, 2017 9:39:05 GMT -7
How do you all get rid of old tubes? Trash? Recycling? Hazardous waste? I have them in a bag waiting to have a right way to dispose of......when I put them in the trash, in the past, I've always thought " You're doing it wrong Simpleton" I put mine in recycling Glass? What kind of recycling? Seems like there are some kind of metals and other gasses or something in there too .....
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Post by KeithA on Jan 28, 2017 9:52:31 GMT -7
Excuse me not knowing, what's in tubes that interests the EPA? Probably more to do with the chemicals, etc., used in the manufacturing process more than the end product itself.
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Post by purpletele on Jan 28, 2017 9:53:50 GMT -7
Our recycling is bunched into a blue barrel and can include plastic, aluminum, paper and glass.
The gasses are not dangerous otherwise I would be in trouble because I dropped a new EL 84 the other day.
The metal will get melted away.
Sophisticated recycling centers are pretty cool.
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Post by BritInvasion on Jan 28, 2017 15:52:33 GMT -7
Excuse me not knowing, what's in tubes that interests the EPA? There a very small quantities of Barium and lead. But the fact is , the EPA really has little to do with why vacuum tubes aren't manufactured in the U.S. ( Actually some are - like super-expensive Klystrons and some other that are used in industrial / military microwave applications). The reason the big manufacturers here are gone is business related. There simply is not a demand like there once was. In the 50's and 60's especially , radios , televisions (even car radios) radar and communications gear in the military and aerospace , computers as they were then - all relied on vacuum tubes. The demand was enormous compared to what it is now. My company sold a lot of industrial tubes up thru the 80's made by GE , Eimac , Richardson to name a few. We saw these companies downsized , sold off , folded into other divisions and then shuttered completely as the costs of running the plants and raw materials increased vs. low profit margins and sales dropping precipitously. Thats what killed off consumer grade vacuum tube manufacturing here. Here's a picture of just one panel in a 50's era computer :
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Post by Stan on Jan 28, 2017 16:04:15 GMT -7
Wow that is way cool picture, thanks for pic/info
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Post by helmi on Jan 29, 2017 17:34:00 GMT -7
Excuse me not knowing, what's in tubes that interests the EPA? There a very small quantities of Barium and lead. But the fact is , the EPA really has little to do with why vacuum tubes aren't manufactured in the U.S. ( Actually some are - like super-expensive Klystrons and some other that are used in industrial / military microwave applications). The reason the big manufacturers here are gone is business related. There simply is not a demand like there once was. In the 50's and 60's especially , radios , televisions (even car radios) radar and communications gear in the military and aerospace , computers as they were then - all relied on vacuum tubes. The demand was enormous compared to what it is now. My company sold a lot of industrial tubes up thru the 80's made by GE , Eimac , Richardson to name a few. We saw these companies downsized , sold off , folded into other divisions and then shuttered completely as the costs of running the plants and raw materials increased vs. low profit margins and sales dropping precipitously. Thats what killed off consumer grade vacuum tube manufacturing here. Here's a picture of just one panel in a 50's era computer : Your knowledge is an absolute godsend to us father Frank! If only I could of had an older brother like you, I would have grown up alot smarter, and my life would have been complete! you are the source that ALL intelligent wisdom flows through. (lol)
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Post by nmz on Jan 29, 2017 20:18:33 GMT -7
Thanks Frank for an EDUCATED response to this question.
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