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Post by Figaro on Jan 25, 2017 17:45:06 GMT -7
Do you usually use the z-lux with the bass almost off? I usually set it using Buddy Whittington's advice: Turn bass all the way down. Then bring it up gradually until you just hear it start to affect the sound. That's my starting point and I may adjust it further from there. What's helpful to me about this approach is that it is a simple way to take into account differences in rooms and guitars. I've found that even with the same guitar I end up with different settings in different spaces. Another aspect is that the amp's response, or our perception of it, may vary based on one's settings of volume and master, as well as the other tone controls. Buddy's method establishes a baseline. A caveat is that I'm performing mostly blues and related rock tunes. I can't play like Buddy, but the music is similar. For other styles of music this suggestion may not be as useful. (That said, I did a show focused on British Invasion tunes over the summer with the Z-Lux and the bass stayed low for that also.) Yes, starting at 0 and turning up is a great way to adjust the bass control. Just wondered why you had the bass control almost off on the z-lux when comparing it to the Cure?
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Post by doctorice on Jan 25, 2017 17:55:44 GMT -7
Just wondered why you had the bass control almost off on the z-lux when comparing it to the Cure? I was trying to match the two amps tonally after starting from all knobs, other than level on the Cure, at noon. It provided confirmation of the different voicings of the amps in a somewhat more rigorous, albeit not necessarily better, manner than just listening to the two side by side with an a/b switch. I removed the variables of different cabs and broken-in vs. new speaker. As you noted in one of your posts, the Z-Lux has much more prominent bass when both amps have their bass knobs set the same. Hope that clarifies what I was seeking to learn.
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Post by JoeMo' on Jan 25, 2017 19:45:43 GMT -7
My ears would not like it. Tinnitus for years and impaired frequency response in both ears. Congrats on the Z-Lux. Eager to hear your thoughts. I want to see how close I can get to Peter Green tone using the Z-Lux and my Corsa-modded LP. Might that be in your plans also? I haven't considered sticking humbuckers through it yet ,l have only tried a couple of my strats ,but l did buy my Blackstar Artisan specifically to go with the Corsa Manalishi though my Maz does a very good job too. l wasn't looking for another amp in particular but l was thinking that my Silverface Vibrolux was getting too much use and l really should limit its use to keep it in its current condition. The Z lux came up at the right price and was too good an opportunity to miss so l went for it. I guess I should mention, all my tinkering with the Cure and Zlux was done with a tele and a strat. I forgot to mention that.
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Post by Figaro on Jan 25, 2017 22:16:59 GMT -7
Just wondered why you had the bass control almost off on the z-lux when comparing it to the Cure? I was trying to match the two amps tonally after starting from all knobs, other than level on the Cure, at noon. It provided confirmation of the different voicings of the amps in a somewhat more rigorous, albeit not necessarily better, manner than just listening to the two side by side with an a/b switch. I removed the variables of different cabs and broken-in vs. new speaker. As you noted in one of your posts, the Z-Lux has much more prominent bass when both amps have their bass knobs set the same. Hope that clarifies what I was seeking to learn. Where do you usually have the bass control set on your z-lux for a full, balanced sound?
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Post by mudman on Jan 26, 2017 6:45:29 GMT -7
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Post by doctorice on Jan 27, 2017 7:54:00 GMT -7
I was trying to match the two amps tonally after starting from all knobs, other than level on the Cure, at noon. It provided confirmation of the different voicings of the amps in a somewhat more rigorous, albeit not necessarily better, manner than just listening to the two side by side with an a/b switch. I removed the variables of different cabs and broken-in vs. new speaker. As you noted in one of your posts, the Z-Lux has much more prominent bass when both amps have their bass knobs set the same. Hope that clarifies what I was seeking to learn. Where do you usually have the bass control set on your z-lux for a full, balanced sound? My evasive answer: it depends. I've mentioned that my music room at home is quite small, and it is packed with gear. One might fairly call it a big closet in its present state. When I'm practicing, which is often on the Z-Lux, I'm at pretty low volume overall, generally running clean. Bass usually around 9 (o'clock). When I have the amp out at a gig it's probably nearer 10 or 10:30. I'm mainly using a P90 guitar at gigs. And I have the amp on the floor.
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Post by Figaro on Jan 28, 2017 6:30:31 GMT -7
I'm interested in the z-lux but have only heard the Cure. So when comparing the z-lux and the cure, if you're setting the bass control on the z-lux at 9-10:30, where do you set the bass control on the Cure so their low end sounds the same? Thanks!
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Post by doctorice on Jan 28, 2017 9:31:16 GMT -7
I'm interested in the z-lux but have only heard the Cure. So when comparing the z-lux and the cure, if you're setting the bass control on the z-lux at 9-10:30, where do you set the bass control on the Cure so their low end sounds the same? Thanks! About 2, but it's still not quite the same. Also, please keep in mind that the apparent frequency balance seems to shift as one moves around the V-MV combinations. As I noted, I can't tell how much is psychoacoustic and how much is circuit. The two amps are different. You can get them to sound similar, but not the same. That is the case with other Z amps as well. Fwiw, if I could only have one, I'd go with the Z-Lux. Why? The sound seems more 3-D, and I like the 20/40 power option. Yes, the built-in reverb and tremolo are great, but pedals added to the Cure will work fine.
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Post by Figaro on Jan 28, 2017 10:14:02 GMT -7
I'm interested in the z-lux but have only heard the Cure. So when comparing the z-lux and the cure, if you're setting the bass control on the z-lux at 9-10:30, where do you set the bass control on the Cure so their low end sounds the same? Thanks! About 2, but it's still not quite the same. Also, please keep in mind that the apparent frequency balance seems to shift as one moves around the V-MV combinations. As I noted, I can't tell how much is psychoacoustic and how much is circuit. The two amps are different. You can get them to sound similar, but not the same. That is the case with other Z amps as well. Fwiw, if I could only have one, I'd go with the Z-Lux. Why? The sound seems more 3-D, and I like the 20/40 power option. Yes, the built-in reverb and tremolo are great, but pedals added to the Cure will work fine. Thanks. I read the z-lux had more low end than the cure. I had to turn the cure's bass control way up to get a full, balanced sound. Is the z-lux with it's master volume control as versatile as the cure?
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Post by Figaro on Jan 28, 2017 10:15:37 GMT -7
I'm interested in the z-lux but have only heard the Cure. So when comparing the z-lux and the cure, if you're setting the bass control on the z-lux at 9-10:30, where do you set the bass control on the Cure so their low end sounds the same? Thanks! About 2, but it's still not quite the same. Also, please keep in mind that the apparent frequency balance seems to shift as one moves around the V-MV combinations. As I noted, I can't tell how much is psychoacoustic and how much is circuit. The two amps are different. You can get them to sound similar, but not the same. That is the case with other Z amps as well. Fwiw, if I could only have one, I'd go with the Z-Lux. Why? The sound seems more 3-D, and I like the 20/40 power option. Yes, the built-in reverb and tremolo are great, but pedals added to the Cure will work fine. Thanks. I read the z-lux had more low end than the cure. I had to turn the cure's bass control way up to get a full, balanced sound. Is the z-lux with it's master volume control as versatile as the cure?
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