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Post by zwak on Dec 28, 2016 17:49:50 GMT -7
Ok, not knowing if this specific speaker combo has been talked about, I am asking the question, which would you use? I am not interested in other speaker manufacturers or Celestion types, just these two models and at 8 ohms. Z recommends the the V30 with this amp, Humbuckers Music recommends the G12M, what about you?
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Dec 28, 2016 18:38:11 GMT -7
V30. But mine's a Z12.
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Post by markT on Dec 28, 2016 18:53:29 GMT -7
I recommend something else, so no comment.
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Post by zwak on Dec 28, 2016 19:52:45 GMT -7
Why would you go with the V30? What makes this the perfect speaker over the G12M?
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Post by nmz on Dec 28, 2016 20:41:59 GMT -7
V30, but I use another version.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Dec 29, 2016 8:14:42 GMT -7
Why would you go with the V30? What makes this the perfect speaker over the G12M? Because that's what Dr.Z recommends with this amp, and over the years I've come to trust his ears. Every time I've ever swapped from the recommended tube or speaker I end up coming back to the original recommendation from Z. The Therapy speaker is the one time that I've found something better to my ears, and that's Doc's own 12" design built by Eminence.
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Post by Easyrom on Dec 30, 2016 2:23:30 GMT -7
Why would you go with the V30? What makes this the perfect speaker over the G12M? Because that's what Dr.Z recommends with this amp, and over the years I've come to trust his ears. Every time I've ever swapped from the recommended tube or speaker I end up coming back to the original recommendation from Z. The Therapy speaker is the one time that I've found something better to my ears, and that's Doc's own 12" design built by Eminence. I've found the V30 is, in most situations, a guitar speaker I don't like... But it sounded really good with the Therapy I use to have. Better than any other I tried then. The Z-12 has been made after the Therapy was released, but I'm not surprised it does well with the Therapy. It sounds really great into the Z-Lux combo and sings nicely with the Maz 8 also (even if I prefer my Scumnico with the Maz 8. Adds a little something I really dig).
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Post by surfhard on Dec 30, 2016 13:03:03 GMT -7
I vote V30 the best of what I have then Creamback M pretty close behind.
Dr. Z's choices are great places to start. The Therapy is in the Tweed Twin style and I know Keith Richards was using V30s in his at one point. Plus the V30 is such a great speaker live with a band. It really cuts and my guys are loud!
At home by myself the Eminence GA-sc64 is really nice. The Alnico Creamback looks very interesting.
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Post by Faze on Dec 30, 2016 18:53:31 GMT -7
I would go with the Doc and go with the V30. I don't like the V30 at all. But have heard from everyone else it sounds great with the Therapy. I found a great deal on a cab and it came with the Z-12 and the Doc also said its a great speaker with the therapy and I agree. I would have been fine with the V30 as well I trust the Doc and everyone else that it is a good match with the therapy. It just so happened that it worked out the way it did for me with the Z-12 I also have a Z-lux with that same speaker.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Dec 31, 2016 8:42:39 GMT -7
V30 sounds horrible until it breaks in. Then it evens out a lot - still strong in the mids, but much more even. It's a great rock speaker for sure.
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Post by walt on Dec 31, 2016 11:04:14 GMT -7
V30 sounds horrible until it breaks in. Then it evens out a lot - still strong in the mids, but much more even. It's a great rock speaker for sure. Thanks for the info I have a z-12 for the Therapy but have been considering getting the V30 since it's what the designer recomends.
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Post by John on Jan 2, 2017 4:54:11 GMT -7
Yes, the V30 sounds nasal before being broken in. The reason is the cone can't travel well....and that kills all the bass. What you're left with is tons of mids...from a speaker that is already known for a very dominant upper mid spike in tone. Some like that mid spike, some don't. It goes well with some amps, others...not so much. It's a very 'rock and roll' speaker. Relative to anything in the greenback camp (which the G12m creamback IS) the V30 will sound very 'heavy metal'.
But in my limited time with the Therapy, the V30 sounded great. At a Z-fest, we were comparing the Therapy against a Remedy (Plexi based amp) and the Therapy sounded best (to me) with the V30. The Remedy has more of a upper mid push in tone, and sounded better with the Creamback. The remedy with the V30 was all heavy metal to me. The Therapy had less of that signature upper mid push of tone associated with the Remedy/Plexi...and the V30 made up for that.
And it takes a lot to break in a V30. It's a 65 watt speaker and you really have to pound on it to get the cone moving and loosen it up. I took mine out of the cabinet, wrapped it in a sleeping bag, hooked it up to my PA head and ran drums/bass loops through it for 40 hours. And since it's a 65 watt speaker, I was able to really hit it hard. That cone was moving back and forth a total of about 1 inch. After that, I couldn't believe how different it sounded. It was balanced. It finally had bass, and didn't sound so nasal after that. The upper mid spike was still there, but it wasn't so dominant.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 12:58:30 GMT -7
At home by myself the Eminence GA-sc64 is really nice. The Alnico Creamback looks very interesting. This. The GA-SC64 is also great with a band. It breaks up so smoothly, but you lose a tad bit of high end sparkle.
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Post by simpleton on Jan 3, 2017 11:16:55 GMT -7
V30 gave the Therapy EQ section a lot of flexibility. I have no experience with your other choice....but some speakers seem to lessen the Therapy EQ sweep....or at least shift it in such a way as to alter what I can get with the EQ.
This amp feels even more touchy or responsive to speakers and tubes than my other two Z's. The EQ is very active feeling and the sweep of each knob is huge.....speakers affect the EQ range and the Therapy's EQ will be using that huge sweep with the new speaker's parameters.
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Post by zwak on Jan 4, 2017 11:43:44 GMT -7
Thanks all for your input, amazing how opinions vary!
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