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Post by markT on Dec 23, 2016 10:51:06 GMT -7
Do you play with your amp on the floor or is it on a stand or a case? I can't wait to hear your follow up response to this Eric !! And I so agree!!! Go ahead and say it!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 13:06:00 GMT -7
Do you play with your amp on the floor or is it on a stand or a case? I can't wait to hear your follow up response to this Eric !! And I so agree!!! Go ahead and say it! I'll say it! That thing better be on the floor!!!
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Post by BritInvasion on Dec 23, 2016 13:08:38 GMT -7
^^ He stated in the OP that it is always on the floor.
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Post by purpletele on Dec 23, 2016 13:13:22 GMT -7
I can't wait to hear your follow up response to this Eric !! And I so agree!!! Go ahead and say it! I'll say it! That thing better be on the floor!!! Frank, Your quote went over my head with performance dynamics. What happens if the amp is in a stand and not on the floor?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 13:15:08 GMT -7
^^ He stated in the OP that it is always on the floor. I usually don't read past the third line...
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Post by John on Dec 23, 2016 13:19:05 GMT -7
Do you play with your amp on the floor or is it on a stand or a case? Yeah....please don't tell us you have it tilted back and pointed directly at your head.
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Post by Marshalldog on Dec 23, 2016 13:21:46 GMT -7
Do you play with your amp on the floor or is it on a stand or a case? On the floor always...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 13:23:10 GMT -7
I'll say it! That thing better be on the floor!!! Frank, Your quote went over my head with performance dynamics. What happens if the amp is in a stand and not on the floor? Normally when people put an amp in a stand, they point the center of the speaker directly at their face, which puts you in a direct line with the trebly-est of the treble frequencies. The amp in a stand reduces bass, as the cabinet resonates less (or the stand absorbs some of that resonance, I'm not a sound engineer, I just know what I hear).
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Post by purpletele on Dec 23, 2016 13:43:20 GMT -7
^^^^That's what I had concluded for myself.
The subject came up a few minutes ago with the arrangement of my borrowed amps for a show tonight. I am lending my Maz 8, and I am going to bring the extension cabinet as well. The player just wanted to borrow the combo and a stand.
The 18 watt Vallis Plexi will be getting the Cream Alnico today to match with a C Gold in the extension. So two short stacks and I wanted to get a real deep sound for these friends of mine. The gig is in a Warehouse Brewery so its a little tricky.
Sorry to derail,
It's all about music, amps and tone!!!
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Post by Marshalldog on Dec 23, 2016 13:49:11 GMT -7
Well, I say maybe, just maybe I might have this amp figured out?? I dont have a manual so I looked some stuff up on line. Me being a Marshall man I was using the CUT as the PRESENCE and that is clearly NOT the f-ck-ng case at all. So I have been playing with the CUT at about 7:00-7:30 (very low) and it makes a world of difference. On one website it said the CUT set low is more of a vintage tone. I have also found I like the EH 12ax7's the best (subject to change over time. Ive rolled several and it seems they are the most mellow rich sounding while still having gain and they are super low noise so its a win all around. They are also more musical than the JJ's IMO. I also tried the low input and I like that too but I like the high better. I was using the high because, like Marshalls, I thought it offered more gain but it seems its just lest bright.
Is there an actual manual on line anywhere?
One question though, who the hell would play with on the high input with the CUT up to say anything past 9:00?? When I try this it will rip the enamel off your teeth and thats with an LPS on the bridge with the tone at 5. I dont play Teles or Strats...do they require more cut...just curious I am not used to having any EQ knob set to almost off and that is part of the problem up to this point.
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Post by ME on Dec 23, 2016 13:56:32 GMT -7
Well, I say maybe, just maybe I might have this amp figured out?? I dont have a manual so I looked some stuff up on line. Me being a Marshall man I was using the CUT as the PRESENCE and that is clearly NOT the f-ck-ng case at all. So I have been playing with the CUT at about 7:00-7:30 (very low) and it makes a world of difference. On one website it said the CUT set low is more of a vintage tone. I have also found I like the EH 12ax7's the best (subject to change over time. Ive rolled several and it seems they are the most mellow rich sounding while still having gain and they are super low noise so its a win all around. They are also more musical than the JJ's IMO. I also tried the low input and I like that too but I like the high better. I was using the high because, like Marshalls, I thought it offered more gain but it seems its just lest bright. Is there an actual manual on line anywhere? One question though, who the hell would play with on the high input with the CUT up to say anything past 9:00?? When I try this it will rip the enamel off your teeth and thats with an LPS on the bridge with the tone at 5. I dont play Teles or Strats...do they require more cut...just curious I am not used to having any EQ knob set to almost off and that is part of the problem up to this point. As many say "Set your Z tone controls with your ears, not your eyes" ME
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Dec 23, 2016 14:23:29 GMT -7
I'm just glad to see that you left your soldering iron cold. Good job!
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Post by BritInvasion on Dec 23, 2016 14:49:20 GMT -7
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Post by Marshalldog on Dec 23, 2016 15:19:06 GMT -7
Thanks Bro...off to do some zzzzzzz studying.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 17:16:12 GMT -7
^^^^That's what I had concluded for myself. The subject came up a few minutes ago with the arrangement of my borrowed amps for a show tonight. I am lending my Maz 8, and I am going to bring the extension cabinet as well. The player just wanted to borrow the combo and a stand. The 18 watt Vallis Plexi will be getting the Cream Alnico today to match with a C Gold in the extension. So two short stacks and I wanted to get a real deep sound for these friends of mine. The gig is in a Warehouse Brewery so its a little tricky. Sorry to derail, It's all about music, amps and tone!!! Rock on, BV! If you stack amps, too, you'll notice they will sound different depending on which one is on top. That's why it's always best to keep them side by side.
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Post by digs57 on Dec 23, 2016 17:19:47 GMT -7
Eh 12ax7 supposed to be a good tube...
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Post by Marshalldog on Dec 23, 2016 20:19:49 GMT -7
Anyone else here run the CUT almost off when using the HI input and a humbucker guitar???
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 21:04:38 GMT -7
Anyone else here run the CUT almost off when using the HI input and a humbucker guitar??? I know you gotta do what you gotta do, but you really should use the LO with 'buckers. If you need the extra push, hit the front with a quality OD.
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Post by Marshalldog on Dec 23, 2016 21:31:21 GMT -7
Anyone else here run the CUT almost off when using the HI input and a humbucker guitar??? I know you gotta do what you gotta do, but you really should use the LO with 'buckers. If you need the extra push, hit the front with a quality OD. I will give it a try and thanks for the advice...I appreciate it!
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Post by hotbridgesss on Dec 24, 2016 1:18:39 GMT -7
Depending on the year of the Maz, some come with a EQ bypass switch. I have the variable one for mine and it really fattens up tone. It's essentially another channel on the amp and only the volumes and cut control can be used with it because it bypasses the tone stack. The down side is that you can't use your EQ. I use it a lot as a platform for an overdrive pedal during a solo. It keeps a solo thick but cuts nicely. Think early Joe Bonamassa with the singing strat through Marshall tone. Z has these on the website for under $40. Get one.
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Post by dergit (Markus) on Dec 24, 2016 3:10:12 GMT -7
Anyone else here run the CUT almost off when using the HI input and a humbucker guitar??? No. But I also don't dime the master because these amps don't work like Marshalls where opening the big knob equals taking it out of the equation. It controls the PI tube as well and I find they saturate way too much with the Master past 3 o'clock. The amp has a lot more headroom, sounds more organic and less distorted with the Master around noon for me. My usual settings are: all the knobs are between 10 and noon. Except the reverb on my 8, that's usually set to the same as on my 18NR. But I probably like a much cleaner sound than you.
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Post by John on Dec 24, 2016 4:47:04 GMT -7
Anyone else here run the CUT almost off when using the HI input and a humbucker guitar??? When I had my maz, I did that too. Especially if you have an open back cabinet.
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Post by Marshalldog on Dec 24, 2016 6:55:22 GMT -7
Anyone else here run the CUT almost off when using the HI input and a humbucker guitar??? No. But I also don't dime the master because these amps don't work like Marshalls where opening the big knob equals taking it out of the equation. It controls the PI tube as well and I find they saturate way too much with the Master past 3 o'clock. The amp has a lot more headroom, sounds more organic and less distorted with the Master around noon for me. My usual settings are: all the knobs are between 10 and noon. Except the reverb on my 8, that's usually set to the same as on my 18NR. But I probably like a much cleaner sound than you. Good info thanks. I have reduced the master to about 1-2:00 and it sounds great. May try going lower.
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Post by Marshalldog on Dec 24, 2016 7:04:27 GMT -7
Depending on the year of the Maz, some come with a EQ bypass switch. I have the variable one for mine and it really fattens up tone. It's essentially another channel on the amp and only the volumes and cut control can be used with it because it bypasses the tone stack. The down side is that you can't use your EQ. I use it a lot as a platform for an overdrive pedal during a solo. It keeps a solo thick but cuts nicely. Think early Joe Bonamassa with the singing strat through Marshall tone. Z has these on the website for under $40. Get one. Mine was bought new a few months back and the guy used it for less than two weeks and traded it so I was able to pick it up for a steal but its a late 2013 and didnt come with that footswitch. Maybe ill pick one up. I did put the NOS Russian tubes in her like the current models are shipping with.
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Post by Marshalldog on Dec 24, 2016 9:19:22 GMT -7
So out of all the tubes I have, I am torn between the EH and NOS RFT 12ax7s in this amp. Both sound great with very minor differences. I have an i61 Mullard 12ax7 on the way that I will stick in V1 and try it once it gets here.
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Post by 195db on Dec 24, 2016 13:04:27 GMT -7
My homemade "Clearsonic" panel helps tame the highs & ice pick. Helps spread the sound plus I can be in front of the amp w/o killing my ears. Have to adjust the EQ accordingly b/c you may not hear enough highs w/ it.
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Post by znut on Jan 12, 2017 13:34:20 GMT -7
The Maz's have a wonderfully bright response. But pair them with a Celestion Heirtage G12-65, and you have a cream machine. I have a 112 extension cab...just installed a Celestion C90 Mesa Black Shadow...added more lows and warmth. Between the 65 and the 90, it's quite remarkable.
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Post by benmaz on Feb 12, 2020 10:09:29 GMT -7
Switching to Chinese 12ax7's and Chinese EL84's (i.e. TAD or Ruby) made my amp sound very warm. But some of the musical detail and richness was lost too.
A less drastic change would be to try Svetlana 12ax7's in the first two or all three positions. That's working for me right now. I think the treble is less harsh than with the JJ's but the gain seems a little less too.
That's the hard part for me: getting a warmer tone that still has at least as much gain (I'm looking for as much breakup as I can get).
My amp also came with a hemp cone speaker, and that does the trick too. But I think the G12H sounds so much better its not worth going in that direction.
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Post by scottc on Feb 21, 2020 8:08:45 GMT -7
I start with the cut and bass controls off - then bring them up until they "engage".
For the bass, it is usually around 9:00 and for the cut a touch less than that.
BIG FAT Tone! I usually am playing a 335 of LP into a mark II MAZ reverb, studio combo.
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Post by shiner51 on Feb 23, 2020 7:01:54 GMT -7
When I first got my MAZ, I thought it was too bright also. It is a pre master volume mod model and I had to keep the cut control at 9:00 or below. It wasn't until I was able to play a large venue where I could open the master up past 12:00 that the amp really began to shine. I was amazed how full the tone was and actually had to turn the bass control down to about 8:00. Like most tube amps, it doesn't reach its full potential until the power tubes open up. I sent it in and had the master volume mod done on it and it was a huge improvement, I was able to get a fuller tone at lower volumes. I am also running the newer 6N14N power tubes which to me sound fuller. Because most of the places I play are pretty small, I use a shield to help smooth out the highs, and I run my mid control at 3:00.
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