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Post by edoetsch on Sept 21, 2016 7:35:07 GMT -7
I am extremely loyal to Dr Z but there is a part of me that "wants a Marshall". I guess because.....guitarist! I play Route 66 and find it to be too loud for some gigs and am deciding between the above 2. Anyone out there done a direct comparison? I need a head and might have chosen the 1974x but I just don't need the speaker. marshallamps.com/products/amplifiers/handwired-series/2061x/
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Post by greenblues58 on Sept 21, 2016 7:50:38 GMT -7
I have a 1974x and it is quite different to play than the 2061x probably due to the valve v SS rectifier. l found the 2061 to sound quite modern in comparison. if you want something in the same vein as the 1974x in head form check out the Blackstar Artisan 15H which has a 1974x type channel and an EF86 channel which can get quite gainy and is valve rectified. l have the combo version. Not a Marshall I know but designed by ex Marshall engineers and definitely old school. l can't comment on the Route 66 as not heard one.
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Post by edoetsch on Sept 21, 2016 8:10:53 GMT -7
I have a 1974x and it is quite different to play than the 2061x probably due to the valve v SS rectifier. l found the 2061 to sound quite modern in comparison. if you want something in the same vein as the 1974x in head form check out the Blackstar Artisan 15H which has a 1974x type channel and an EF86 channel which can get quite gainy and is valve rectified. l have the combo version. Not a Marshall I know but designed by ex Marshall engineers and definitely old school. l can't comment on the Route 66 as not heard one. Have you played an M12?
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Post by zm12 on Sept 21, 2016 17:56:01 GMT -7
Up until 6 months ago, I owned a 1974x combo and an M12 combo. I sold the 1974x. I've never played a 2061 but I assume its similar to the 1974x. The 1974x was nothing like my M12. You had to crank it to get the best out of it and honestly, I liked my M12 with some good OD pedals more. All at a more reasonable volume. My M12 paired with my J Rocket 45 caliber, Rothwell Hellbender or my Thorpy Gunshot was all I needed. The M12 takes drive pedals so well that I don't miss the 1974x at all. The M12 is more practical than the Marshall. Never part with my M12!! PS: The Marshall 1974x can get quite loud cranked all the way up and that's the only sound I liked when I had it
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Post by greenblues58 on Sept 22, 2016 2:27:15 GMT -7
PS: The Marshall 1974x can get quite loud cranked all the way up and that's the only sound I liked when I had it Yup it is a bit of a one trick pony but a mighty fine one with humbuckers IMHO though it also sounds good with a strat though you will never get clean with any volume. It goes into overdrive from 2 on the volume and gets fatter as you increase it with increase in volume up to about 6 then just more saturated and harmonically richer up to full on. No I haven't played any other Z than my Maz 18NR(sadly only one UK dealer and not particularly close) Live I have only experienced what Buddy W has been playing when in UK the last 5 years or so.
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Post by edoetsch on Sept 22, 2016 9:14:22 GMT -7
I sort of Knew M12 would get more recommendations. I mean if I love the Route 66 the M12 should certainly be more similar due to pre-amp similarity. I tend to describe my Route 66 as a one trick pony with the ability to tweak things, but what a trick it is.
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Post by zm12 on Sept 22, 2016 13:23:52 GMT -7
I've never played a Route 66 but I hear they are awesome. I know everyone would rather play through a cranked amp but i found that the M12 with some good OD pedals was all I needed. For a while I even ran the 1974x and the M12 through a Fulltone Truepath ABY. Using the M12 for clean and the 74x for dirt (and sometimes both amps at the same time) but the 1974x had to be turned way up to get the dirt I wanted so I eventually settled on the M12 by itself with a few OD pedals. Got similar results at more controlled volumes. But it sure was fun running both in tandem !
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Post by detuned on Sept 22, 2016 13:32:48 GMT -7
I don't think the Marshall and the M12 are anything alike, based on what I've heard. Th M12 will never break up like the Marshall, although it has a pleasing breakup when you push it hard. I'll echo what others have said in that pedals will most likely get you where you need, along with a fantastic chimey clean sound when you want it.
But, if pedals are against your nature, don't get the M12. I can't believe I said that - the M12 is such a great amp. Love mine!
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Post by Rich (fbb90) on Sept 22, 2016 14:13:36 GMT -7
Can't help you on the direct comparison, although I have played a 2061x and own a M12 (to much time between playing the 2061x and owning the M12).
I very much like the M12 cranked up and hot-n-bothered. You can get some pretty good OD/distortion sounds out of it. I do not use pedals (at least not OD type) with my M12, and I was using it in a pretty rowdy originals oriented punk band when I needed a lower wattage amp (cranked 3-3-3 KT45 for the higher wattage amp). And don't forget that you can swap out the rectifier without modding anything else to give you a little earlier breakup. On top of that, there is the "baby Stingray" mod, too, that can give you some different sounds.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 14:28:17 GMT -7
I'm going outside the box a bit here, but you might check out the smaller Friedman heads if you want something that's got a dead-bang hot-rodded Marshall sound but with a really useable MV and a great tone stack. The PT 20's capable of doing nice preamp distortion at low volume, or can do loud clean or balls out crazy, all very tweakable to work with various guitars, cabs, etc. It's got an excellent FX loop, too.
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Post by Rich (fbb90) on Sept 22, 2016 14:29:34 GMT -7
Here's a cute little rig posted two days ago on Pittsburgh Craigslist of a 2061x and a 1965 4x10 halfstack for $1k. I thought that was a pretty good price for both if everything is functioning properly. I have no connection/interest in/with the owner or sale; it was just something I saw the other day.
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Post by zm12 on Sept 22, 2016 15:30:45 GMT -7
That is a good deal for that setup. What would bet the Z equivalent to the 2061?
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Post by edoetsch on Oct 24, 2016 8:45:04 GMT -7
Well,, this story has a probable happy ending. I pulled the trigger on the M-12 because I am a pedal user with the Route already and just looking for something more adjustable volume wise at the smaller clubs I play.
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Post by Rich (fbb90) on Oct 24, 2016 15:47:27 GMT -7
Well,, this story has a probable happy ending. I pulled the trigger on the M-12 because I am a pedal user with the Route already and just looking for something more adjustable volume wise at the smaller clubs I play. Cool! Let us know what you think after you've driven 'er 'round the block a few times! Give that 3-3-3 setting a try, too, before you throw a bunch of pedals into the mix. The M-12 can do dirt all on its own!
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Post by detuned on Oct 24, 2016 15:54:17 GMT -7
Cool! You may not get the Marshall tones form the M12 (although, who knows - maybe you will!), but it's a great amp that tons of fun to play through.
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Post by Faze on Oct 24, 2016 16:03:22 GMT -7
FWIW I had the 2061x head for a couple years great sounding amp. But in all honesty the Remedy blew it away.
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Post by edoetsch on Nov 14, 2016 19:08:04 GMT -7
Cool! You may not get the Marshall tones form the M12 (although, who knows - maybe you will!), but it's a great amp that tons of fun to play through. Seems to be on the Vox side of things from my experience. Noticeably brighter than the Route but sounds great. Compliments from the sound guy. I wasn't TOO LOUD!
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Post by s360guitarist on Nov 15, 2016 21:03:43 GMT -7
Cool! You may not get the Marshall tones form the M12 (although, who knows - maybe you will!), but it's a great amp that tons of fun to play through. Seems to be on the Vox side of things from my experience. Noticeably brighter than the Route but sounds great. Compliments from the sound guy. I wasn't TOO LOUD! Interesting. I just parted with a boo-tek ac15 clone that I had to let go for medical reasons (back). I just picked up a lightweight cab and am using a little Vox Night Train 15w at the moment with a WGS Green Beret. Cannot decide if I should take a shot at the m12...Hmmm.
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Post by edoetsch on Nov 16, 2016 14:59:10 GMT -7
Since I have not played an actual Vox AC15 I would get other confirmation that this is really the territory of the amp. I can say that it reminds me of Beatles tones and is noticeably brighter than my Route 66. It can be tweaked with the tone controls to get more mids with about 1-2 o'clock bass 10-11 o'clock treble.
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Post by edoetsch on Apr 19, 2017 9:07:39 GMT -7
Since I have not played an actual Vox AC15 I would get other confirmation that this is really the territory of the amp. I can say that it reminds me of Beatles tones and is noticeably brighter than my Route 66. It can be tweaked with the tone controls to get more mids with about 1-2 o'clock bass 10-11 o'clock treble. After owning for a bit longer, definitely in the Vox camp as it comps Beatles stuff very well. I think that pushed to the max and hit with a rangemaster it might not get the gain of an AC.
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Post by smolder on Apr 19, 2017 19:32:31 GMT -7
I own an M12 and a PA20 clone (what the 2061x is patterned after). The M12 has a greater treble range... more so than the z28 and r66 with the same tone stack. The 2061x is slightly louder and considerably more clean that a 1974... it's the closest thing to a low watt Plexi that I've played. I won't part with either amp. The M12 is an incredibly versatile amp... both tone and loudness.
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