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Post by smokeshowin1 on Jul 30, 2016 7:10:28 GMT -7
Bought a used Therapy. Going through a solid pine, closed back, front ported, 1x12, Wgs liberator. Humbuckers. Guitar, chord, amp. The cleans,(mv dimed, volume low), are the best I can ever remember hearing. Same for overdrive,(volume up, mv lower). What I'm working on is setting the amp up overdriven, gv on 10, then rolling gv back for that wonderful clean. I've only used an es339,(memphis tone circuit), so far. Hasn't worked yet,(about 2 hours w/ the amp)! I could just set it clean, then step on a gain changer, however, prefer no pedal. Anyone...?
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Jul 30, 2016 7:30:17 GMT -7
Mine's the same way. What we really need is TWO Therapy amps for clean and dirty, with an amp switcher out to the cab! You can get it fairly clean and GV up to overdrive, but I have found that the most reliable, easiest way is to use something to boost your guitar. RC booster, Timmy, etc. (my RYRA Klone works really well for this). My Therapy reacts really well to overdrive pedals, yesterday I was playing it with my Barber Gain Changer, what a rockin' tone. I haven't found a way to get that pure clean that you speak of without using them.
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Post by smokeshowin1 on Jul 30, 2016 7:50:08 GMT -7
Thanks Dave. Amp set clean w/ the Gain changer sounds good, but, is the gc through clean similar to the amps overdriven sound?
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Jul 30, 2016 8:13:04 GMT -7
Offhand I'd say it is, but you know how faulty "audible memory" can be. I'd have to hook them up and do an A/B comparison to be fair about it. I just looked and I had my Therapy set up with the volume and master both set at about 10:00 on the clock dial, and with those settings (and the Gain Changer set pretty hot, around 3:00 drive) it sounded perfect for leads and backing off on the GV gives a nice crunchy rhythm tone. Anyone else want to chime in?
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Post by simpleton on Jul 30, 2016 8:51:00 GMT -7
With my Stratocaster I can have a more clean sound at higher volume but at its heart I think the Therapy will still be more dirt due to its Tweed like inspiration....
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Post by sam on Jul 30, 2016 12:32:20 GMT -7
ES-339, cool! I have a Therapy and I have found that it really loves my CS-336 in particular. It's not my favorite amp for my strat, tele, or other guitars. I'm spoiled with a nice selection of other Z's including Z-28, Ghia, and Maz 38. But with the CS-336 the Therapy is REALLY amazing in a way that none of my other amps are....
I think I need to go put in some work on the 336 and play it out some more now that you mention it.
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Post by southmusic70 on Jul 30, 2016 12:45:54 GMT -7
++++CS336 and Therapy
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Jul 30, 2016 13:16:57 GMT -7
Does The 336 still have '57 Classics in it? Great pickups. My 335 has them and it sounds stellar with the Therapy. That's the guitar I was using when I mentioned the Therapy with Gain Changer earlier.
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Post by southmusic70 on Jul 30, 2016 13:29:23 GMT -7
My 336 is a 2010 model, and it has the '57 Classics (stock).
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Post by sam on Jul 30, 2016 19:01:21 GMT -7
I replaced the '57 Classics in mine years ago with Duncan Jazz neck and JB bridge pickups. Can't remember the difference since its been a long time but I love the Jazz pickup in particular in this guitar.
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Post by walt on Jul 30, 2016 19:42:26 GMT -7
The Therapy and GC are as good friends as coffee and doughnuts.I like the combo a lot,for clean to dirt or dirt to ROCK.Both work.
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Post by southmusic70 on Jul 30, 2016 20:05:50 GMT -7
Although I still have the stock 57 Classics on my 336, when I had the 335 Studio, one of the first things I did (in 1990 when I got it) was to replace the stock pickups (496s maybe?) with a SD Jazz in the neck and a SD JB in the bridge and played it that way for 20 years.
A great pickup combination.
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Post by JeffG on Jul 30, 2016 21:48:36 GMT -7
The way I set my Therapy is just before the edge of breakup then have my RC Boost on all the time. And for dirt I'll go to my Tim. Most nights I can get away with having both of those pedals on for the entire gig and then just using GV to get a cleaner tone.
I used to run the Therapy really dirty and it sounded great but I found that my boosts and pedals just didn't make the dynamic impact I wanted them to have. So now I run the amp a little cleaner and can get much more dynamic variation with pedals and pick attack.
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Post by djcakadave on Jul 30, 2016 23:03:59 GMT -7
I'm gonna go way out on a limb here and say take every guitar you own out and just plug straight in. with the Therapy and then come back to this thread and complain about some sound you are not hearing?
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Post by ss "Shane" on Jul 31, 2016 5:14:09 GMT -7
Going back to the original issue in the thread, turn guitar volume down for wonderful cleans and guitar volume up for some overdriven tones? Personally I've never had a guitar that you could get wonderful cleans with its volume turned down, to me the tone starts to lose something and seems a little choked out with the master volume reduced on the guitar.
Now if this were me I would set the therapy to volume at noon to achieve this. This is where the therapy starts to get a bit hairy. The hair can be cut a little by reducing the guitar volume.
If there is one thing I've learned about Z amps it's that setting the amp's tone while playing with a band (in the mix) is much more effective than setting the amp up alone. Hope that makes sense.
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Post by smokeshowin1 on Jul 31, 2016 6:02:19 GMT -7
Suggested settings were all I was really asking for! I'll try volume @ noon. Thanks.
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Post by southmusic70 on Jul 31, 2016 6:34:11 GMT -7
++++Xotic RC boost into Therapy
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Post by gplayer1965 on Jul 31, 2016 8:17:16 GMT -7
Going back to the original issue in the thread, turn guitar volume down for wonderful cleans and guitar volume up for some overdriven tones? Personally I've never had a guitar that you could get wonderful cleans with its volume turned down, to me the tone starts to lose something and seems a little choked out with the master volume reduced on the guitar. Now if this were me I would set the therapy to volume at noon to achieve this. This is where the therapy starts to get a bit hairy. The hair can be cut a little by reducing the guitar volume. If there is one thing I've learned about Z amps it's that setting the amp's tone while playing with a band (in the mix) is much more effective than setting the amp up alone. Hope that makes sense. Have you tried a treble bleed mod on your guitar?
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Post by ss "Shane" on Jul 31, 2016 11:08:02 GMT -7
No, I've never tried a treble bleed mod but I'm sure that would take care of any issues regarding guitar treble control. Honestly I'm pretty happy without one due to the fact that I use pedals for dirtier sounds.
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Post by nmz on Jul 31, 2016 13:08:56 GMT -7
ES-339, cool! I have a Therapy and I have found that it really loves my CS-336 in particular. It's not my favorite amp for my strat, tele, or other guitars. I'm spoiled with a nice selection of other Z's including Z-28, Ghia, and Maz 38. But with the CS-336 the Therapy is REALLY amazing in a way that none of my other amps are.... I think I need to go put in some work on the 336 and play it out some more now that you mention it. 336+Therapy has been my go to rig for the past two/three years. I do like a Tele and with P90s it does rock but the 336 covers everything. I kept the vintage 30 feel with a WGS vet 30, less db and no honk!
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Post by dreamlander on Jul 31, 2016 13:09:48 GMT -7
I have never been a guitar volume guy either. Too much to worry about on stage for me and I agree the clean with the guitar volume rolled back is much different sound than with the amp's volume down and the guitar volume dimed. Guitar seems to lose that dynamic feel to me when rolled back. I play more clean than overdrive as well, so maybe it works better for people doing the opposite.
I run the master at 3, volume at 10-10:30 and mostly a Gain Changer(knobs at noon) for over drive, and a klone when I just want to push it a little farther. Works great for me. And even with the volume at 10:30 when you really hit an open chord there is some breakup to my ears. Volume at noon is more like overdrive to me.
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Post by Faze on Jul 31, 2016 13:33:45 GMT -7
The treble bleed is a great help when you are using the volume of your guitar to go from clean to overdrive. When you have the treble bleed you still retain some highs when you back of the volume giving you a better clean tone. I have my guitars wired with the treble bleed and can plug straight in to my amps and I get great results. I go from clean to overdrive just by using the volume control and my tone knobs. Even when using pedals like a fuzz face type pedal I get a really great clean tone just rolling back the volume. The in-between tones are nice too. It works great either way with or without pedals.
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Post by simpleton on Jul 31, 2016 18:01:20 GMT -7
Keeping the bass knob lower will reduce overdriven tones. To get more cleans at higher volumes with my P90 LP I had the MV all the way up keeping volume around 9ish ....B 9 or a tad over with mids and treble around noon.
Remember to adjust with your ears and not your eyes. Dr Z tone controls can be surprising .... But for cleaner sounds MV up high Volume lower....add EQ to taste. Less EQ will give more cleans more EQ begins to add grit in that register and I find that the bass will add to the overdriven sound quickly.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Aug 1, 2016 23:14:44 GMT -7
Suggested settings were all I was really asking for! I'll try volume @ noon. Thanks. I run mine with the volume at around 11o'clock to noon, and when I want "more" hit the front end with an RC booster.........my 339 with 57 classics sounds just about perfect! I will say though, this amp has a huge amount of superb settings, but is on the darker and gritty side of the track in general (right where I love to live!!). I can get bright chime sounds, but nothing like a Stangray for example; I can get pretty high gain sounds, but not like a Mazerati for example............. But I can get a massive range in between!! Ideally I'd have two Therapies - one set super clean and one set pretty dirty, and just play the snot out of both of them all night
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Post by smokeshowin1 on Aug 4, 2016 13:51:45 GMT -7
Thanks for the info. Running the amp clean, I tried the Visual sound open road, a Voodoo lab sparkle drive, and the best of the 3, the gain changer. What an amp!
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Post by gplayer1965 on Aug 6, 2016 9:07:18 GMT -7
The treble bleed is a great help when you are using the volume of your guitar to go from clean to overdrive. When you have the treble bleed you still retain some highs when you back of the volume giving you a better clean tone. I have my guitars wired with the treble bleed and can plug straight in to my amps and I get great results. I go from clean to overdrive just by using the volume control and my tone knobs. Even when using pedals like a fuzz face type pedal I get a really great clean tone just rolling back the volume. The in-between tones are nice too. It works great either way with or without pedals. and that is what I am talking about. I used to read on here about the guys manipulating their GV and I would try and got nothing but mud. it was suggested that I give the treble bleed a try. For less than $3.00 dollars I did such mod on my strat and then I was able to use my GV in a much wider soundscape
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Post by kc on Aug 7, 2016 8:00:29 GMT -7
The treble bleed is a great help when you are using the volume of your guitar to go from clean to overdrive. When you have the treble bleed you still retain some highs when you back of the volume giving you a better clean tone. I have my guitars wired with the treble bleed and can plug straight in to my amps and I get great results. I go from clean to overdrive just by using the volume control and my tone knobs. Even when using pedals like a fuzz face type pedal I get a really great clean tone just rolling back the volume. The in-between tones are nice too. It works great either way with or without pedals. and that is what I am talking about. I used to read on here about the guys manipulating their GV and I would try and got nothing but mud. it was suggested that I give the treble bleed a try. For less than $3.00 dollars I did such mod on my strat and then I was able to use my GV in a much wider soundscape To each his own ... I don't have the treble bleed on my guitars, but on every Z amp I've owned (including the Therapy), I've agreed with Mike Fuller's comment on the Rt66: " .... AND when you turned down the guitar, that damned amp cleaned up without losing apparent volume to 50 fabulous shades of dirty to semi-dirty to clean." kc
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Post by gplayer1965 on Aug 7, 2016 9:04:44 GMT -7
and that is what I am talking about. I used to read on here about the guys manipulating their GV and I would try and got nothing but mud. it was suggested that I give the treble bleed a try. For less than $3.00 dollars I did such mod on my strat and then I was able to use my GV in a much wider soundscape To each his own ... I don't have the treble bleed on my guitars, but on every Z amp I've owned (including the Therapy), I've agreed with Mike Fuller's comment on the Rt66: " .... AND when you turned down the guitar, that damned amp cleaned up without losing apparent volume to 50 fabulous shades of dirty to semi-dirty to clean." agreed
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Post by smokeshowin1 on Aug 7, 2016 12:52:39 GMT -7
To each his own ... I don't have the treble bleed on my guitars, but on every Z amp I've owned (including the Therapy), I've agreed with Mike Fuller's comment on the Rt66: " .... AND when you turned down the guitar, that damned amp cleaned up without losing apparent volume to 50 fabulous shades of dirty to semi-dirty to clean." agreed
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Post by smokeshowin1 on Aug 7, 2016 13:04:04 GMT -7
The es339 has the "Memphis tone circuit". From what I understand, the highs don't disappear, not sure , but that sounds like a treble bleed circuit. It's all good, I set the amp pushed clean, then step on the gain changer for mid/heavy. If I set the amp up overdriven, then roll the gv off a little, it's a very useable clean, just not the stellar clean w/out a pedal & amp set clean! The gain changer really sounds like the amp, & not a pedal, that's the key...
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