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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Mar 10, 2016 5:14:01 GMT -7
I have never had the privilege of doing a first post on any forum thread, ever! I'm sure this will be a great amp and look forward to hearing thoughts views and opinions Please excuse an old man an indulgence
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Post by markT on Mar 10, 2016 6:00:40 GMT -7
Great first post Pete!! WHen does your new SS arrive!?
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Mar 10, 2016 7:39:48 GMT -7
Since the thread is now open my guess is it won't be long before we begin seeing pics and reviews!
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Mar 10, 2016 8:45:30 GMT -7
My guess is that the new SS is an extension (or the result?) of Doc re-visiting production of the Delta 88? Can anyone confirm this?
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Mar 11, 2016 5:04:09 GMT -7
My guess is that the new SS is an extension (or the result?) of Doc re-visiting production of the Delta 88? Can anyone confirm this? Yep, there was a conversation on this subject elsewhere on the forum and I understand that this is indeed a reworking of the Delta 88 and renamed
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Post by DRZ on Mar 11, 2016 10:06:12 GMT -7
My guess is that the new SS is an extension (or the result?) of Doc re-visiting production of the Delta 88? Can anyone confirm this? Yep, there was a conversation on this subject elsewhere on the forum and I understand that this is indeed a reworking of the Delta 88 and renamed Not so fast Pete. It has a completely different tone stack and recovery circuit. Added Mid. Added Tube buffered effects loop. Beefed up power supply and filters. Much more then re worked in my books, but an overhaul of the Delta 88 if you will.
z
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Mar 11, 2016 10:16:49 GMT -7
Much more then re worked in my books, but an overhaul of the Delta 88 if you will.
z
Thanks for confirming, DRZ --this is why I'd suggested that it was an "extension" or "result" of re-visiting the Delta 88, not necessarily a re-issue of the older amp. Kind of how the Z-Lux came back in place of the JAZ 20/40. Can we also correctly deduce that this means we won't see the Delta 88 itself being brought back into production, too?
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Post by DRZ on Mar 11, 2016 12:59:49 GMT -7
Much more then re worked in my books, but an overhaul of the Delta 88 if you will.
z
Can we also correctly deduce that this means we won't see the Delta 88 itself being brought back into production, too? I wouldn't say that , a Limited Edition Delta 88 would still make an excellent product IMHO.
Z
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Post by Paul (TRANE) on Mar 11, 2016 14:01:36 GMT -7
Can we also correctly deduce that this means we won't see the Delta 88 itself being brought back into production, too? I wouldn't say that , a Limited Edition Delta 88 would still make an excellent product IMHO.
Z
Oh boy......that is what I was hoping to hear.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Mar 11, 2016 14:33:30 GMT -7
I wouldn't say that , a Limited Edition Delta 88 would still make an excellent product IMHO.
Z
It sure would!
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Post by fishman on Mar 12, 2016 14:46:52 GMT -7
Doc, what brand of steel was used for the demo? What pups in it? Also was it recorded with dedicated mic or from a distance? Last what tone bar and weight..thnx..sorry to be a pita but us guys that spend 3/4 o the gig looking at our hands need to know...lol
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Post by DRZ on Mar 12, 2016 16:37:53 GMT -7
Doc, what brand of steel was used for the demo? What pups in it? Also was it recorded with dedicated mic or from a distance? Last what tone bar and weight..thnx..sorry to be a pita but us guys that spend 3/4 o the gig looking at our hands need to know...lol Sorry I would need Randle to answer those questions. He sent me the audio clips and said a video clip will follow, that might help. Z
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Post by fishman on Mar 12, 2016 18:03:45 GMT -7
Thanks Doc!...I appericate you taking the time... Steel guys are weird-o's in a good sense... All guitar players are after the tone I think, but Steel Players take it to a new level!.. Will be able to tell pretty much from the Vid. You make the best amps out there, and You have saved me thousands! Thnx again.
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Post by jimmysmith on Mar 13, 2016 0:01:39 GMT -7
oh no,, i already have a keeper rxjr and a monza,,
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Mar 15, 2016 10:55:04 GMT -7
Yep, there was a conversation on this subject elsewhere on the forum and I understand that this is indeed a reworking of the Delta 88 and renamed Not so fast Pete. It has a completely different tone stack and recovery circuit. Added Mid. Added Tube buffered effects loop. Beefed up power supply and filters. Much more then re worked in my books, but an overhaul of the Delta 88 if you will.
z
I stand corrected, humbled and apologetic ............. must pay more attention Looking forward to hearing it and the reviews of it though
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Post by Harvey on Mar 15, 2016 11:12:58 GMT -7
Doc, what brand of steel was used for the demo? What pups in it? Also was it recorded with dedicated mic or from a distance? Last what tone bar and weight..thnx..sorry to be a pita but us guys that spend 3/4 o the gig looking at our hands need to know...lol Sorry I would need Randle to answer those questions. He sent me the audio clips and said a video clip will follow, that might help. Z I think for the most part Randle uses a Franklin....
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Post by DRZ on Mar 15, 2016 13:20:53 GMT -7
Not so fast Pete. It has a completely different tone stack and recovery circuit. Added Mid. Added Tube buffered effects loop. Beefed up power supply and filters. Much more then re worked in my books, but an overhaul of the Delta 88 if you will.
z
I stand corrected, humbled and apologetic ............. must pay more attention Looking forward to hearing it and the reviews of it though Didn't mean to come off so strong Pete, sorry. Just took the opportunity to point out the changes.
DR.Z
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Post by jesslm02 on Mar 17, 2016 5:33:33 GMT -7
Sorry I would need Randle to answer those questions. He sent me the audio clips and said a video clip will follow, that might help. Z I think for the most part Randle uses a Franklin.... I think Harvey is correct. I usually see him playing a Franklin as well.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Mar 17, 2016 8:27:18 GMT -7
I stand corrected, humbled and apologetic ............. must pay more attention Looking forward to hearing it and the reviews of it though Didn't mean to come off so strong Pete, sorry. Just took the opportunity to point out the changes.
DR.Z
No worries sir! No offence taken - you're the man designing and making these amps, so your word is the only one that really matters
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Post by mshartz on Mar 22, 2016 13:12:04 GMT -7
Randle Currie ( steel player who plays and records for Brad Paisley ) is fond of using one of his Franklin Double neck Pedal steels. Most Franklins use Lawerence L710 humbucker pickups which I'm pretty sure Randle uses also. These were designed for the great Paul Franklin Jr. ( His dad, Paul Sr. builds Franklin Guitars.) The first clip is played on the C6th (jazz, western swing) neck and the second clip is on the standard E9th neck. Sounds like he's going thru reverb pedal also.
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Post by zpilot on Mar 29, 2016 10:17:50 GMT -7
I can see that this section is going to eventually turn into a discussion about all kinds of pedal-steel guitar gear. It's a crazy and different world from our normal six-string gear. For instance, when I was playing steel I bought one of the special seats that steel players use that fold up for transport. Most of these have compartments for storage and a built in power strip. A lot of players get them to match their guitar. Mine matches my blonde JAZ. I use it now with my six-string set-up because I now set down most of the time. They will drop $300-$600 on one of these without a thought. For a chair!
There are no really mass produced steel guitars. All of the builders are more-or-less boutique custom shops. Mine was a GFI. My good friend recently ordered a Justice steel. Should be here any day now.
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Post by piknklik on Apr 11, 2016 19:25:48 GMT -7
The steel guitar world, compared to the guitar world, is very tiny. We are fortunate to have builders like Doc Z take the time and interest to design and build equipment specifically for our needs. The pac-seats are designed to be the correct height for control of the instrument and often have backs for those of us with the pain of carrying a 60 pound instrument for years...there are a number of other good amp builders just for the steel, as well as f/x, bars, pedals, preamps and speakers! We are lucky because w/o all that specialized gear, we would not be able to do the things we love so much...(my first amp was a Bogen PA amp back in the late 60's !! UGH!) Having played the Surgical Steel, I found it worked great for my needs, so now I'm selling my EZG 50 (in the forsale section), so I can afford this fine amp. Gerry
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Post by jb1336 on Apr 12, 2016 3:38:48 GMT -7
Tube Buffered FX Loop? In a Z amp? would definitely like to see more of this!
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Post by DRZ on Apr 12, 2016 3:52:37 GMT -7
Tube Buffered FX Loop? In a Z amp? would definitely like to see more of this! You will. Z
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Post by zpilot on Apr 12, 2016 14:09:58 GMT -7
Tube Buffered FX Loop? In a Z amp? would definitely like to see more of this! You will. Z On current amps? How about retrofitting existing amps.
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Post by DRZ on Apr 12, 2016 16:20:12 GMT -7
On current amps? How about retrofitting existing amps. Will take a board circuit addition and modification as well as adding a 12AX7 . Not sure it will be downward compatible on all models. But will be added to future models. Z
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Post by jb1336 on Apr 13, 2016 2:13:13 GMT -7
On current amps? How about retrofitting existing amps. Will take a board circuit addition and modification as well as adding a 12AX7 . Not sure it will be downward compatible on all models. But will be added to future models. Z GAHHHHH THIS IS EXCITING currently got a couple of this1smyne buffers doing the duty on my Maz 18nr, what's the benefit/difference in tube buffered vs say a buffer like this1smyne?
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Post by zpilot on Apr 14, 2016 12:39:52 GMT -7
I'm a vacuum tube fanatic but in this case I would rather have a buffer that was solid-state. This is one place in the circuit where you want the same signal going out that came in, not being "enhanced" by a tube. An effects loop operates at line levels though, so you want to be sure you have enough headroom there. I use an Analogman buffer which can be operated using 18 volts for more headroom. That may be overkill. I expect some will disagree with me on this and that's fine. This is just what I do and it works for me.
I wish my buffer was installed internally in my amp (a MAZ Jr) but it's not so to make the setup as clean as possible I have it mounted to the inside of the back panel. I have a small power strip and wall wart supply mounted inside the cabinet. The amp is plugged into that so I only have one power cable out the back to deal with.
Also one other point. I think if you have a very short run to and from your effect (like you would if it was setting on top of the amp) and your cables aren't more than a couple of feet long you don't need a buffer at all. At least I can't hear any benefit using one like that. I'm dealing mostly with a Strymon Flint.
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Post by piknklik on May 19, 2016 19:24:31 GMT -7
Really enjoying the sound from my S.S. amp! Very clear and clean at any volume I need. Doesn't need a lot of EQ but there is plenty there if needed... Looking forward to future gigs with it and will post vids if I can record sound that does it justice!
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