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Post by pahoehoe06 (Steve) on Feb 27, 2016 15:59:15 GMT -7
Hi All,
I am considering a Therapy for my next purchase. I need it to be able to cover the outside/louder gigs, but more often the "small bar with the audience right top of you" gigs. I love the tone of the Therapy (from the video demos), but want to make sure I can get that tone across a wide volume range.
I see a lot of raves for the Post-Phase Inverter Master Volume over in the Monza threads, to the point that many folks suggest that the Monza can get quieter (and louder!) than the Mini-Z yet still retain the same tone as when cranked.
Since the Therapy also as the PPIMV, have folks who own/have used both Therapy and Monza found that the Therapy can get quiet (like in Dave Baker's Monza demo) and yet still keep its tone? Or, is the Therapy MV more "interactive" with tone like the most other MV amps?
Thanks in advance for any thoughts.
Steve
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2016 16:04:09 GMT -7
It's as good, if not better, than the Monza. I had the master wide open on both earlier today, and I actually thought the Monza felt louder overall than the Therapy...
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Post by pahoehoe06 (Steve) on Feb 27, 2016 16:11:41 GMT -7
Thanks!
So I could set the amount of OD and compression via the Volume knob on the Therapy, and then the MV just changes loudness plus or minus but OD/compression remains the same? (That's what I'm looking for)
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Post by purpletele on Feb 27, 2016 16:14:11 GMT -7
I have been striving to get a great MV amp so that I can have the tone that I want at low volume in my home studio.
I have had my Therapy for about a month and I concur with the positive reviews of the PPIMV on the Therapy. I don't play live, but I would be comfortable utilizing the Therapy amp playing at a dinner party or a very large venue.
I am very pleased with the MV, so much that I sold the Airbrake.
I'm sure the real performers will chime in soon.
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Post by pahoehoe06 (Steve) on Feb 27, 2016 16:17:46 GMT -7
Thanks! That's what I was hoping to hear.
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Post by purpletele on Feb 27, 2016 16:21:41 GMT -7
It's as good, if not better, than the Monza. I had the master wide open on both earlier today, and I actually thought the Monza felt louder overall than the Therapy... Well Frank, the neighbors are sure you're back in town now! The funny thing is I resemble that statement. I had the amp cranked playing with harmonics this morning prior to breakfast.
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Post by doctorice on Feb 27, 2016 16:27:23 GMT -7
Therapy MV does what it's supposed to do, but one thing to keep in mind is that if your "loud" pushes the speaker so that it's adding to the OD sound then that contribution may go away when you lower MV. Other than that possibility, and the psychoacoustics of the human ear -- at quieter levels low and high frequencies seem attenuated -- MV will let you have the same tone at pretty much any volume.
Of course, different rooms are going to factor into your tone as well, so you still may need to tweak a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2016 16:30:19 GMT -7
Thanks! So I could set the amount of OD and compression via the Volume knob on the Therapy, and then the MV just changes loudness plus or minus but OD/compression remains the same? (That's what I'm looking for) I've only had the Therapy for a few weeks and I've been traveling a bunch, so I don't have a whole lot of hours on it and I haven't been able to take it to a gig. There's so much preamp distortion in the Monza that the MV doesn't necessarily impart much power tube distortion on the overall sound, which makes the MV usable throughout its whole range. On the Therapy, as you open the MV, things just get bigger and bolder as those 6L6's start to work a bit harder. The Therapy sounds awesome at any level, but it's definitely more rewarding at higher volumes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2016 16:31:53 GMT -7
It's as good, if not better, than the Monza. I had the master wide open on both earlier today, and I actually thought the Monza felt louder overall than the Therapy... Well Frank, the neighbors are sure you're back in town now! The funny thing is I resemble that statement. I had the amp cranked playing with harmonics this morning prior to breakfast. I brought my neighbor a coffee and a Starbucks gift card this morning, so that should buy me another 3 months of noise...
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Post by djcakadave on Feb 27, 2016 17:04:17 GMT -7
Therapy MV does what it's supposed to do, but one thing to keep in mind is that if your "loud" pushes the speaker so that it's adding to the OD sound then that contribution may go away when you lower MV. Other than that possibility, and the psychoacoustics of the human ear -- at quieter levels low and high frequencies seem attenuated -- MV will let you have the same tone at pretty much any volume. Of course, different rooms are going to factor into your tone as well, so you still may need to tweak a bit. Mike, "THE BEST" master volume description I have ever heard! Thanks!
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Post by purpletele on Feb 27, 2016 17:09:01 GMT -7
Therapy MV does what it's supposed to do, but one thing to keep in mind is that if your "loud" pushes the speaker so that it's adding to the OD sound then that contribution may go away when you lower MV. Other than that possibility, and the psychoacoustics of the human ear -- at quieter levels low and high frequencies seem attenuated -- MV will let you have the same tone at pretty much any volume. Of course, different rooms are going to factor into your tone as well, so you still may need to tweak a bit. Can you get a degree in Psychoacoutic's?
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Post by simpleton on Feb 27, 2016 17:32:34 GMT -7
Thanks! So I could set the amount of OD and compression via the Volume knob on the Therapy, and then the MV just changes loudness plus or minus but OD/compression remains the same? (That's what I'm looking for) The MV is as good as it gets ... It is the overall level of sound....the volume knob acts like a gain knob in that as it goes up so increases the gain. Texture and EQ of that is set with Bass, Middle, Treble. The only thing I would say different is with the 6L6 tubes I don't feel this amp compresses like other amps I've played....the tone stays strong all the way up the dials. Hey Irreversal what speakers were the Monza and Therapy using? My experience with 10" Red Fang in Monza and 12" V30 in Therapy showed me that at first the Monza feels louder but as the therapy comes up with the Volume knob the power of the Therapy takes over...like the difference between a gas engine and a diesel pulling trailers up a grade. At first gas is winning but then that power and torque of the diesel hits and POWER....BUT the Monza COLORS the tone more than any amp I've ever played..like a hot chick walking thru the room-Everyone notices
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2016 18:21:21 GMT -7
Thanks! So I could set the amount of OD and compression via the Volume knob on the Therapy, and then the MV just changes loudness plus or minus but OD/compression remains the same? (That's what I'm looking for) The MV is as good as it gets ... It is the overall level of sound....the volume knob acts like a gain knob in that as it goes up so increases the gain. Texture and EQ of that is set with Bass, Middle, Treble. The only thing I would say different is with the 6L6 tubes I don't feel this amp compresses like other amps I've played....the tone stays strong all the way up the dials. Hey Irreversal what speakers were the Monza and Therapy using? My experience with 10" Red Fang in Monza and 12" V30 in Therapy showed me that at first the Monza feels louder but as the therapy comes up with the Volume knob the power of the Therapy takes over...like the difference between a gas engine and a diesel pulling trailers up a grade. At first gas is winning but then that power and torque of the diesel hits and POWER....BUT the Monza COLORS the tone more than any amp I've ever played..like a hot chick walking thru the room-Everyone notices Right now I'm running them both through a 102db strong Eminence V128 with a head switcher. Loud!!! Haven't tried the Therapy with the Z12 yet. Maybe tomorrow...
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Post by walt on Feb 27, 2016 18:44:01 GMT -7
As good as the MV is-as mentioned in several threads,the Therapy FEELS best with the MV above noon.It is also very different with various speakers,the magnet size/wattage changes the volume a lot.with the same 1x12 cabinet,an Eminence Wizard is way louder than the Z best,the magnet and wattage rating is very different.
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Post by nmz on Feb 27, 2016 19:08:22 GMT -7
The best I have ever come across. Really, no $hit, bedroom to bar to hall it really covers it all.
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Post by southmusic70 on Feb 27, 2016 19:09:42 GMT -7
Why are you asking?
Just go ahead and try one!
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Post by doctorice on Feb 27, 2016 20:30:18 GMT -7
Therapy MV does what it's supposed to do, but one thing to keep in mind is that if your "loud" pushes the speaker so that it's adding to the OD sound then that contribution may go away when you lower MV. Other than that possibility, and the psychoacoustics of the human ear -- at quieter levels low and high frequencies seem attenuated -- MV will let you have the same tone at pretty much any volume. Of course, different rooms are going to factor into your tone as well, so you still may need to tweak a bit. Can you get a degree in Psychoacoutic's? I think so
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Post by purpletele on Feb 27, 2016 20:55:23 GMT -7
Can you get a degree in Psychoacoutic's? I think soBeautiful! I thought it was the study of noises in my head.
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Post by ss "Shane" on Feb 28, 2016 14:26:01 GMT -7
Well Steve, looks like you have enough informative replies to make your mind up without actually playing the Therapy, but let me add that It took me 2 years of buying amps to finally get it right with my Therapy. I have never had a more usable MV to be perfectly honest. I'm in this thread to help a fellow musician and not to sell an amp lol, but I'm sure that all these guys in this thread have that outlook as they have certainly helped me along the way. Your description of what your wanting out of an amp is exactly what I was looking for. I set tone knobs and volume and only work my MV from living room jams to large room gigs. The only changes I make to tone might be to cut back a hair on the treble when I really crank up loud. My two cents, the Therapy has the best MV on the market. Just wish I didn't have to spend so much money on other gear to figure this out. Maybe this helps Steve, good luck to ya!
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Feb 28, 2016 15:28:06 GMT -7
How effective is the MV?............VERY!! nuff said..........
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Post by ME on Feb 28, 2016 16:41:50 GMT -7
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Post by JeffG on Feb 29, 2016 15:03:57 GMT -7
I have to agree with everyone here - the MV is excellent. I'm the same as you, need to get the same tone a low volumes at home and at louder volumes for gigs. It's a perfect amp and I can't imagine how you'd be disappointed.
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Post by pahoehoe06 (Steve) on Feb 29, 2016 21:27:55 GMT -7
Thanks to each and every one of you for sharing your experience and opinions. I really do appreciate it. OK, you've convinced me! Now the big choice is color (black with tan, or blonde with tan) Thanks so much, this is a great Forum and the community of owners is one of the reasons that I am interested in Dr Z amps. Steve
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Post by purpletele on Feb 29, 2016 21:33:29 GMT -7
I have the Z Wreck grill with black piping. It's pretty cool looking as well.
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Post by pahoehoe06 (Steve) on Feb 29, 2016 21:39:04 GMT -7
I have the Z Wreck grill with black piping. It's pretty cool looking as well. That does sound cool too! I want to be able to pull off surf green from Humbucker, but I don't think I can do it. I'm waaay too boring
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 22:48:34 GMT -7
I have the Z Wreck grill with black piping. It's pretty cool looking as well. That does sound cool too! I want to be able to pull off surf green from Humbucker, but I don't think I can do it. I'm waaay too boring Only live once. For me, once I went red, that was the end...
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Post by purpletele on Mar 1, 2016 0:15:43 GMT -7
I have the Z Wreck grill with black piping. It's pretty cool looking as well. That does sound cool too! I want to be able to pull off surf green from Humbucker, but I don't think I can do it. I'm waaay too boring There is at least one for sale on this forum if you want to get connected. The one for sale is black with a black tolex valance and white trim. $1300.
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Post by simpleton on Mar 1, 2016 8:17:44 GMT -7
I have the Z Wreck grill with black piping. It's pretty cool looking as well. That does sound cool too! I want to be able to pull off surf green from Humbucker, but I don't think I can do it. I'm waaay too boring Red was the one color I didn't want because it felt to bold, bright or maybe to much of a statement...but it was the color I wound up with and now I love it and feel comfortable with it. Maybe that cool surf green will do the same for you. If I could swap colors at this point I would stay with red because it's really grown on me.
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Post by pahoehoe06 (Steve) on Mar 1, 2016 11:53:23 GMT -7
That does sound cool too! I want to be able to pull off surf green from Humbucker, but I don't think I can do it. I'm waaay too boring There is at least one for sale on this forum if you want to get connected. The one for sale is black with a black tolex valance and white trim. $1300. Thanks for the heads-up. I just received the P/W to that area so I'll check it out.
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Post by djcakadave on Mar 8, 2016 22:26:49 GMT -7
like a hot chick walking thru the room-Everyone notices Happens every time I have to hit the head........dang it!
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