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Post by mustachio on Jan 15, 2016 20:40:31 GMT -7
Has anyone any experience with the Scumback? Supposed to be a greenback clone, but better. I'd be putting it in a Dr. Z 112 cab.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Jan 15, 2016 21:15:27 GMT -7
I've got both. Both great speakers (I'm not getting rid of either anytime soon) but honestly I find them quite different in many aspects; they differ noticeably in sensitivity, chime, crunch, overall lo/mid/hi profile, etc. The Gold is definitely more voxy chime, and the M75 more classic rock & blues.
FWIW, since this is in the M12 column, I have the M75 (PVC) in my M12 and I wouldn't change it for anything. Perhaps I could elaborate more when I'm not typing on this dang iPad screen...
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Post by mustachio on Jan 15, 2016 21:34:05 GMT -7
I have the Gold but it doesn't seem to meld well with Humbuckers. Awesome with Tele. Kind of nervous to get a Scumback though. So Scumback is a more all around speaker, which is what I'm leaning toward.
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Post by purpletele on Jan 15, 2016 22:01:13 GMT -7
Mustachio,
I have the M75 - 35 (I believe its 35). I bought it to pair with the C Blue. It is a glorious low wattage 212 set up.
Go with the higher wattage for security.
I have had the M75 up against the C Gold and the C Cream Alnico and guess what, they are all incredible and wonderful in there own way.
I am more of a techy tone chaser, and I don't play live shows, so I don't know about how the M75 holds up at certain volumes.
I think that it is a fantastic speaker equal or better than a C, but what I really like is the following:
1. They are a small business 2. They are approachable. I was reading pros and cons about the speaker as well as the owner Jim. I found the whole experience to be quite pleasant. I like the story of the Scumback name. Jim Seavall was pleasant and knowledgeable. 3. He built the speaker and broke it in, so it was like a custom speaker. 4. Fantastic speaker for $100 less than a Gold or Blue. 5. Equivalent quality.
That's my Scumback story
BV
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Post by mustachio on Jan 15, 2016 22:23:20 GMT -7
Thanks, BV,
Blue is 15 watt. If I get a M75 25 watt, it should be good, as I usually set it at 11-12 o'clock, no?
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Post by purpletele on Jan 15, 2016 23:28:55 GMT -7
Mustachio,
Did you say something? I was looking at your Avatar. Nice amps
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Post by purpletele on Jan 15, 2016 23:48:15 GMT -7
Mustachio,
Here is what I bought.
M75 Series Speaker, 16 ohms 25 watt @119.00, Factory Break In +10.00
$129.00 USD 1 $129.00 USD
Tax (9.000%): $11.61 USD
Shipping and handling: $20.00 USD
Total: $160.61 USD
Personally I would consider the 65 Watt or the higher wattage speaker if your cranking at 11:00. However, that depends on if your tastes. My low wattage rig has an early break up which is really cool but I would think that it would fall apart with some high volume chording/strumming.
One of the more seasoned musicians will be able to recommend the wattage, or better yet, call Jim or send him an mail and tell him your part of the Z world.
Jim Seavall
Scumback Speakers & Cabinets, Inc.
10820 Beverly Blvd., Ste A5
Unit 306
Whittier, Ca. 90601
310-833-6632
Scumback Speakers....... "Simply the best sounding vintage British voiced guitar speakers made. Enslaving Guitarists Worldwide!"
Sales@scumbackspeakers.com
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Jan 16, 2016 6:42:56 GMT -7
Thanks, BV, Blue is 15 watt. If I get a M75 25 watt, it should be good, as I usually set it at 11-12 o'clock, no? Heck, my M75 is a PVC (paper voice coil) model, about which Jim at Scumback is adamant that you "must use 4 in a 50 watt amp, or 8 for a 100 W amp," due to the sensitive (and flammable!) nature of the speaker's motor. [Note: you do not need to worry about the "flammable" part with the 90% of his other speaker offerings.] This wild over-rating of power handling takes into account that most tube amps put out way more power than they their specs indicate. Knowing that it would go into my 12 W combo, I did the math at: 50 / 4 = 12.5, therefore it's perfectly safe as a 1x12 with my M12. I even contacted Jim regarding this math and he practically said, 'uh, yeah.. I guess so.' And I've never had any problems with it--even when I've taken it to 2:00 or 3:00 on the volume knob for short periods. I guess what I'm saying is that--considering its use with only the M12 and not any other, more powerful, amps--you'd be totally fine with the regular 25 W model... or any other 20-25 W Greenback variant for that matter.
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Post by purpletele on Jan 16, 2016 12:14:39 GMT -7
Well Nancy, There you go again.
(I just drove by Regan's old house)
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Post by detuned on Jan 27, 2016 19:31:58 GMT -7
I've got nuttin' but love for the Scumback...
I have an H75 in a 1X12 cab - great speaker. Even greater is that when I email Jim to ask him about his Scumnico, he wrote me back and asked what I wanted it for, then proceeded to talk me into a less expensive speaker.
Quality.
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Post by Jefferson on Jan 29, 2016 19:35:25 GMT -7
Loved both the blue and the gold with the M12! Ultimately settled on a celestion creamback! Has all the punch of a greenback and the warmth of the gold, but with a better low end.
It's an amazing speaker and about 40% less loud than the blue or gold.
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Post by muZician on Jan 30, 2016 1:11:02 GMT -7
scumbacks are unbeatable for classic rock and rock blues tones. I have an M75/65 and an H75/65. you will never do anything wrong with them. but sure they will not be the first choice for country tones or for Fender-Style amps. I have a blue and a gold in my Zwreck cab...unbeatable too but with a different "chime". I cannot say which speaker is best. It depends on your amp, guitar, playing style. they're all great
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Post by mustachio on Jan 30, 2016 14:10:06 GMT -7
Well, I tried all of them now. Gold, Blue and Scumback M75 25 watt Factory Break-in. All of them had their pluses and, how should I put it: their limitations.
Gold was loud, crisp, huge bass (preferred the 1X12 Z cab closed), and kind of scooped, but the feel was really tight and I'm not a technical player.
Scumback, nice and neutral, pushes well and pairs well with all my pedals. But, I wanted that chime when playing without pedals on.
So, I'm settled on the Blue. Sounds great clean. Takes pedals very well. Creamy mids out of the box. And there's a little give or sag when you lay into it, you know, in that fat bottom girl type way. Especially with humbuckers, but my Nocaster sounds great through it too. I love that it's loud. I'm not concerned about low end, because bass players are in charge of the frequency. Oh, and prefer the cab open.
Thanks for all your responses!!!
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Post by Jefferson on Feb 1, 2016 12:41:15 GMT -7
hard to beat a blue!
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