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Post by meanslide on Jan 12, 2016 20:42:54 GMT -7
Hey All - I've got an empty Z-Best here that needs some new speakers and have been reading about WGS.
Anyone have any experience with any of their 12's in a 2X12 cab, Z-Best or otherwise?
I'm looking at either 2 ET65's, 2 Green Berets, or maybe the ET65 and a Veteran 30 (which they recommend).
This would be for a Carmen Ghia playing mostly blues/blues rock.
Any opinions/advice would be appreciated!
Thanks!
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Post by j4gitr (John) on Jan 12, 2016 20:52:10 GMT -7
I've been using the WGS Blackhawk in s 1x12 with a Ghia and am very pleased with it. Not what you were looking for, but a testament to their products.
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Post by simpleton on Jan 12, 2016 20:55:54 GMT -7
I thought the Z Best came with a G12h 30 and a vintage 30.... So I'd say get a Reaper and Retro 30. I had the Reaper 55hz and it sounded great with the Ghia. Duplicating Docs speaker style but the WGS variant I guess.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Jan 13, 2016 5:11:38 GMT -7
The ET65/Veteran 30 mix is awesome--super rich and full of harmonics, etc., but still peaking right in the middle of the guitar's frequencies, like the Vintage 30 and G12 Blue do. This pair (ET65/Veteran 30) would be awesome with the Ghia.
The Blackhawk HP (very different from the Black & Blue and regular Blackhawk) is also awesome, but at 100 W handling it's a little unnecessary--not to mention, expensive--to be putting in a pair just for the 18 W Ghia.
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Post by John on Jan 13, 2016 5:39:24 GMT -7
I thought the Z Best came with a G12h 30 and a vintage 30.... So I'd say get a Reaper and Retro 30. I'd either go with this....or a pair of green berets. (greenback clones) I question putting a et65 in there. It's big dust cap will cut off (attenuate) the crispy high end. And that's not the best (in my opinion) with the Z-best.
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Post by digs57 on Jan 13, 2016 7:49:12 GMT -7
wgs are really great folks to work with to...they want you happy with their products and are knowledgable.
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Post by meanslide on Jan 13, 2016 9:10:43 GMT -7
Thanks for the responses guys. Interesting to hear about the ET65. The reason I was considering those was the Celestion G12-65 comparison. Twice this past year, I had the opportunity to literally sit in front of Robben Ford's Dumble/2X12 cab (loaded with the G12-65's) and listen to two entire concerts (one with the Ford Blues Band and one was Robben's solo band). I thought the G12-65's sounded really good. Big, grand piano like clarity, plenty of top and bottom end, sweet mids. Now, that may be the Dumble but I know he's pretty particular about speakers too and only uses the G12-65.
Two GB's is tempting but I worry about them breaking up too early. I had a Greenback in a 1X12 and A. it did break up fast and B. it was quite a volume drop compared to higher dB speakers. (I was A/B'ing it with a Tone Tub Alnico).
My original thought was to go with the equivalent Celestions that the Doc uses - I believe that would be the Veteran 30 and the Reaper. I've had a stock Z-Best in the past I never had a complaint with the original speaker compliment.
Choices, choices....
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Post by John on Jan 13, 2016 9:22:13 GMT -7
I don't know about Dumbles, but the attenuation from the large dust cap of a '65 speaker works well with fuzzy/buzzy amps where most of the overdrive (if not all) is from preamps. ...like a lot of Boogie amps. The '65's curb that buzz saw tone.
I like the fact that greenbacks have the volume drop. It means I can push the amp harder. I don't know about the efficiency of the WGS green beret vs a real greenback.
I had a pair of 96 db (VERY inefficient) "Heritage" greenback in my Z-best. I was trying to make it sound like a low volume 4x12. It was very nice. But I sold it because I never used it.
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Post by meanslide on Jan 13, 2016 9:42:26 GMT -7
Fuzzy/Buzzy Boogie amps...not my cup o' tea. I have the "as clean as can be" tube set in my Ghia, per the Doc's advice, and I play more on the clean side of things. Mostly P-90's straight into a Ghia, no pedals. I'll have to research the G12-65 some more and maybe find a good video comparison between the ET65 and the G12-65.
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Post by zpilot on Jan 13, 2016 10:02:15 GMT -7
Thanks for the responses guys. Interesting to hear about the ET65. The reason I was considering those was the Celestion G12-65 comparison. Twice this past year, I had the opportunity to literally sit in front of Robben Ford's Dumble/2X12 cab (loaded with the G12-65's) and listen to two entire concerts (one with the Ford Blues Band and one was Robben's solo band). I thought the G12-65's sounded really good. Big, grand piano like clarity, plenty of top and bottom end, sweet mids. Now, that may be the Dumble but I know he's pretty particular about speakers too and only uses the G12-65. Two GB's is tempting but I worry about them breaking up too early. I had a Greenback in a 1X12 and A. it did break up fast and B. it was quite a volume drop compared to higher dB speakers. (I was A/B'ing it with a Tone Tub Alnico). My original thought was to go with the equivalent Celestions that the Doc uses - I believe that would be the Veteran 30 and the Reaper. I've had a stock Z-Best in the past I never had a complaint with the original speaker compliment. Choices, choices.... Are those G12-65's in a closed or open backed cab? I saw Robben Ford several years ago and could not tell just from the front. And if I remember right he had TWO Dumbles on stage. Not sure if one was just a spare. Two Dumbles; life is hard.
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Post by wubberdubber on Jan 13, 2016 10:29:34 GMT -7
I've had a WGS ET-65 in my MAZ for awhile now...after trying a bunch of other stuff, including the original G12H30, it's been the best for me so far. I also put my Remedy head thru it once in a while, and that sounds great too. WGS's recommendation of an ET-65/Veteran 30 is a great sounding combo...they kind of compliment and fill in each other's tones, so you'd be getting a nice full sound out of the Ghia. Have to also add, I've had occasion to work with WGS's customer service a couple of times, and they rock.
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Post by meanslide on Jan 13, 2016 10:38:57 GMT -7
Robben's 2X12 cabs are open back, oval shaped. Last time I saw him (Sept '15) he had two heads as well, but was only plugged into one.
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Post by meanslide on Jan 13, 2016 12:09:50 GMT -7
I've had a WGS ET-65 in my MAZ for awhile now...after trying a bunch of other stuff, including the original G12H30, it's been the best for me so far. I also put my Remedy head thru it once in a while, and that sounds great too. WGS's recommendation of an ET-65/Veteran 30 is a great sounding combo...they kind of compliment and fill in each other's tones, so you'd be getting a nice full sound out of the Ghia. Have to also add, I've had occasion to work with WGS's customer service a couple of times, and they rock. Interesting. I recently loaded a G12H30 in my Ghia 1X12 and I am really digging it. I've been playing Alnico speakers so long now that the ceramic one really sounded loud and punchy by comparison. If the ET65 is even better, I may consider a single one to try in the 1X12 combo.
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Post by hymns on Jan 13, 2016 13:40:00 GMT -7
I use a wgs 12L and asw kts-60 in the stagecraft vertical 2x12 with the oval port made of pine and the same cab made out of birch with a Blackhawk hp and a ceramic EV SRO 12L. The both sound great. Also the reaper hp sounds good with the wgs 12L and Blackhawk hp. To me the reaper hp sounds good mixed with most speakers I've tried and that has been a good many.
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Post by meanslide on Jan 15, 2016 8:42:40 GMT -7
I've had a WGS ET-65 in my MAZ for awhile now...after trying a bunch of other stuff, including the original G12H30, it's been the best for me so far. I also put my Remedy head thru it once in a while, and that sounds great too. WGS's recommendation of an ET-65/Veteran 30 is a great sounding combo...they kind of compliment and fill in each other's tones, so you'd be getting a nice full sound out of the Ghia. Have to also add, I've had occasion to work with WGS's customer service a couple of times, and they rock. I think I'm gonna go with this. The ET65 and the Veteran 30. I'll be able to A/B the ET65 vs the G12H30 in the Ghia combo and load the Z Best with the either the ET65/Vet30 or the G12H30/Vet30...
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Post by southmusic70 on Jan 17, 2016 18:50:49 GMT -7
I'm about to respeaker my 2x12 cabinet, that currently has Vin30s in it, with a WGS ET65 and a WGS G12C/S.
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Post by Faze on Jan 28, 2016 10:18:48 GMT -7
Green Berets
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Jan 28, 2016 11:33:52 GMT -7
Got a chance to play my Rx through the ET65 in my new StoneAge "semi-narrow-open-back" 1x12 recently. Oh.. my.. goodness! Wow, that speaker is impressive--SO rich & lush; though, it could be the extremely-high-quality cabinet contributing to the magic. I can't recommend this speaker enough, either by itself, paired with itself, or paired with a Veteran 30.
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Post by jimmysmith on Jan 31, 2016 18:36:45 GMT -7
ive got a WGS green beret in my monza, it doesnt sit well with the master volume lowered, sounds fizzy according the sound mant he other night, i couldnt tell till later. maybe it needs to be broken in more,, i dont know,,
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Post by meanslide on Feb 1, 2016 11:18:41 GMT -7
I tried the WGS speakers (ET65 & a Vet 30) and didn't care for either of them. I first swapped them in/out of my Carmen Ghia 1X12 combo. Left the back panels off so the changes would be quick. It currently has a G12H30 in it and that's my new favorite speaker after many years of playing only Alnicos. Played for 15 minutes with the G12H30, then, in went the Vet 30. Sounded OK but lacked the girth of the G12H30, especially on the bottom end. Tried the ET65 next and it had even less bottom end. They were both very 'toppy' to coin a phrase. Lots of high end, OK in the middle and not a whole lot of lows. Now these were brand new compared to the G12H30, but neither of them stacked up in the combo.
I then put the G12H30 back in the combo and loaded the Z Best with the WGS speakers. Same thing. Nice top end, not much bottom. It certainly did not have the BIG sound of a Celestion loaded Z cab.
So, out with the WGS, back in with the Celestions. I already sold the Vet 30. If anyone wants to try the ET65, I'll put it up in the BST (cheap!) or PM me.
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Post by soupbone on Feb 29, 2016 6:03:33 GMT -7
Ive used a few of their speakers.
The Veteran 30 was very odd. I bought one used that had been allegedly broken in. I then played it through a script logo Ghia at high volume in my house for a few days and then took it to a gig that weekend. It sounded okay at home but in a live situation there was no presence. I couldnt hear the amp in the mix like I used to with a Vin 30. I sold it.
I loved the ET65 in the Ghia-both at home and live. The only critique I would have is that it had a little too much bass. The bass was tight and focused though and not at all undesirable. Just a little more pronounced than I like. Great speaker.
I also had a Blackhawk 50 in a Ghia combo and loved it. Its my favorite WGS speaker Ive tried. Right now I have a Blackhawk paired with a Vin 30 in a 212 cab Im using with my RX ES and it is nothing short of magical.
Best of luck.
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Post by dreamlander on Feb 29, 2016 7:15:46 GMT -7
Gotta love speaker reviews, the et65 doesn't have enough bass for one guy and then too much bass for the next... Check out the wgs liberator. I have a/b with the Therapy against a c gold in identical 112 cabs and I might be crazy but I think they sound very similar with the gold being a little louder and maybe more punchy on the high end. I also have a et90 which has less mids and seems smoother all around. Although, I have come to the conclusion that with the 3 band eq on the Therapy it is easy to dial it in for any of the 5 speakers I have played through.
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