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Post by zpilot on Oct 8, 2015 23:11:32 GMT -7
I have been longing for the sound I used to get with a Strat many years ago. A lot of that was because of the capacitance of the coil cables I used then. I know that sounds strange because most players prefer the characteristics of low-capacitance cables. I got with Todd to see if he makes anything like that. He doesn't make coil cables but he recommended his Premiere IC00 4E6S. I bought a 20 footer and it is just what I was seeking. I now use it with my Strat and my low-capacitance cables with my humbucker guitars and I don't have to make any adjustments to the amp when switching instruments.
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Post by purpletele on Oct 9, 2015 0:02:30 GMT -7
Zpilot,
That is interesting. What sound difference do you hear? What amp did you play in the 70's. What is the rig that you used to get you tone.
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Post by John on Oct 9, 2015 7:25:51 GMT -7
In general, it should knock off some high end. Cables make a low pass filter...and the longer the cable, the lower the threshold of where it starts knocking off high end. As I understand it....
...now start telling me where I'm wrong.
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Post by Paul (TRANE) on Oct 9, 2015 9:27:52 GMT -7
In general, it should knock off some high end. Cables make a low pass filter...and the longer the cable, the lower the threshold of where it starts knocking off high end. As I understand it.... ...now start telling me where I'm wrong. Actually you sound pretty much dead on in my experience.
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Post by wubberdubber on Oct 9, 2015 9:43:35 GMT -7
No, you're quite right...the coil cables usually warm up single-coil pickups a bit. Most I've used tend to be, or become, microphonic to some degree. The Fender coilie I got about a year ago has done that already, and it's not even had that much use.
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Post by BritInvasion on Oct 9, 2015 9:51:09 GMT -7
He doesn't make coil cables but he recommended his Premiere IC00 4E6S. I bought a 20 footer and it is just what I was seeking. I now use it with my Strat and my low-capacitance cables with my humbucker guitars and I don't have to make any adjustments to the amp when switching instruments. I've been doing the same exact thing for a few years. The ICO 4E6S takes just a bit off the edge of the high end on single coils , sounds great.
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Post by zpilot on Oct 9, 2015 16:54:53 GMT -7
Zpilot,
That is interesting. What sound difference do you hear? What amp did you play in the 70's. What is the rig that you used to get you tone. It warms things up. It is especially noticeable with the bridge pickup and the bridge/middle combined. Gee, in the '70's I used a bunch of different amps. Mainly it was: Twin Reverb, Peavey Duce, 50 watt Hiwatt or Marshall, Traynor YGL-3. The Hiwatt and the Marshall were half-stacks. The others were 2x12" combos. Most of the time I played straight into the amp, maybe with a Vox Wah-Wah. Toward the end of the decade when we started playing at lower volumes I used a Tube Screamer or the Peavey which was a channel switching amp. I even used an A/B amp rig for awhile with a solid-state Yamaha G50-1x12" combo and a vintage tweed Fender Deluxe. I ran an Echoplex into the Deluxe. In the early part of the decade I was going for the tone that Hendrix had on "All Along The Watchtower". At the end of it I sounded somewhere between Bad Company and Lynyrd Skynyrd. Keep in mind that even when we finally turned down we played A LOT louder than what is typical now. I was really pushing those amps. The guitar I normally used was a 1964 Strat but I also played a 1954 Les Paul and an Ibanez Tele clone.
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Post by "Z" Steve on Oct 9, 2015 17:28:58 GMT -7
Zpilot,
That is interesting. What sound difference do you hear? What amp did you play in the 70's. What is the rig that you used to get you tone. It warms things up. It is especially noticeable with the bridge pickup and the bridge/middle combined. Gee, in the '70's I used a bunch of different amps. Mainly it was: Twin Reverb, Peavey Duce, 50 watt Hiwatt or Marshall, Traynor YGL-3. The Hiwatt and the Marshall were half-stacks. The others were 2x12" combos. Most of the time I played straight into the amp, maybe with a Vox Wah-Wah. Toward the end of the decade when we started playing at lower volumes I used a Tube Screamer or the Peavey which was a channel switching amp. I even used an A/B amp rig for awhile with a solid-state Yamaha G50-1x12" combo and a vintage tweed Fender Deluxe. I ran an Echoplex into the Deluxe. In the early part of the decade I was going for the tone that Hendrix had on "All Along The Watchtower". At the end of it I sounded somewhere between Bad Company and Lynyrd Skynyrd. Keep in mind that even when we finally turned down we played A LOT louder than what is typical now. I was really pushing those amps. The guitar I normally used was a 1967 Strat but I also played a 1954 Les Paul and an Ibanez Tele clone. I feel real old saying "Those were the days", and I guess I am! But I will never forget what a Marshall stack felt like 5 to 10 feet behind me. I still have my hearing and agree how stupid that was in hindsight, but it still felt sonically wonderful. Now I have a Remedy and 1x12 Creamback to "take me back"
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Post by purpletele on Oct 9, 2015 18:55:58 GMT -7
Photos would cap it off the good stories
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Post by BritInvasion on Oct 10, 2015 5:25:11 GMT -7
It warms things up. It is especially noticeable with the bridge pickup and the bridge/middle combined. Gee, in the '70's I used a bunch of different amps. Mainly it was: Twin Reverb, Peavey Duce, 50 watt Hiwatt or Marshall, Traynor YGL-3. The Hiwatt and the Marshall were half-stacks. The others were 2x12" combos. Most of the time I played straight into the amp, maybe with a Vox Wah-Wah. Toward the end of the decade when we started playing at lower volumes I used a Tube Screamer or the Peavey which was a channel switching amp. I even used an A/B amp rig for awhile with a solid-state Yamaha G50-1x12" combo and a vintage tweed Fender Deluxe. I ran an Echoplex into the Deluxe. In the early part of the decade I was going for the tone that Hendrix had on "All Along The Watchtower". At the end of it I sounded somewhere between Bad Company and Lynyrd Skynyrd. Keep in mind that even when we finally turned down we played A LOT louder than what is typical now. I was really pushing those amps. The guitar I normally used was a 1967 Strat but I also played a 1954 Les Paul and an Ibanez Tele clone. I feel real old saying "Those were the days", and I guess I am! But I will never forget what a Marshall stack felt like 5 to 10 feet behind me. I still have my hearing and agree how stupid that was in hindsight, but it still felt sonically wonderful. Now I have a Remedy and 1x12 Creamback to "take me back" I'm with ya there Steve. I played a cranked 50W Marshall for years (1973-77) but in my case I have had tinnitus in my right ear ever since. Wish I had thought about earplugs but they weren't really around back then. Still , the tone , feel and sustain was truly amazing.
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Post by Maddog on Oct 10, 2015 5:48:08 GMT -7
^^^^ for me, it was a coily cable or two and a Big Muff Pi between my 57 LP Jr and a '61 Bassman w/ (2) 2x12 cabs or later a 66 Twin Reverb pretty much cranked. Tinnitus? Yep.....
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Post by pcns on Oct 10, 2015 9:18:05 GMT -7
In general, it should knock off some high end. Cables make a low pass filter...and the longer the cable, the lower the threshold of where it starts knocking off high end. As I understand it.... ...now start telling me where I'm wrong. You got it John, cable length matters as foes the cable and cable type. To me 12 to 15ft lengths give the best balance between length and sound quality but I have to really be paying close attention to hear a difference going longer. In other words, if you need 20ft, get 20ft, it's not typically that big of a deal.
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Post by strat59 on Oct 10, 2015 10:35:48 GMT -7
Agree with Z-pilot using coilie cables for single coils. In the '70s I went from a 50w Marshall to a 100w Hi-watt. Even played with the Hi-watt and a Fender dual showman reverb for a spell (outside gigs). Then went to 4x10 Bassman and Vox ac30. = overkill. Very happy with my Maz 38sr. and my Remedy now. I used them together on a couple of outside gigs and some theater gigs usually switching between them on the theater gigs.
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Post by sdlogan9 on Oct 13, 2015 8:39:17 GMT -7
I own several brands of coil cables.
I ended up liking the Bullet Coil Cable the best. Lava Coil is my second fav.
-Shane
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