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Post by savage8190 on Sept 25, 2015 20:50:04 GMT -7
I've disliked every 6L6 amp I've ever played. I find them harsh...maybe harsh is the wrong word...ear fatiguing; piercing maybe. Does the Therapy have a typical 6L6 sound? It sounds pretty cool in clips...and the idea of a usuable master volume is appealing.
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Post by iluvpunz on Sept 25, 2015 21:46:03 GMT -7
The Therapy is anything but harsh, ear fatiguing, piercing. To the contrary I have found it to be a very rich pleasant sounding amp that can be thick, crisp, sweet, mean, soft, smooth, pretty much whatever you want to dial in. Speaker choice and cabinet will have a lot to do with the tonal output but I've used mine with several different speakers and been pleased with them all. We all have different ears but I've played mine in lots of venues at varied volumes from low to loud and never heard anything that I would call harsh or ear fatiguing.
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Post by Dan F"i"fe on Sept 26, 2015 8:03:11 GMT -7
its also self biasing so swapping other power tubes of the same form factor say 6V6 adds to the fun...
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Post by savage8190 on Sept 26, 2015 9:55:40 GMT -7
Interesting. The doc hasn't made an amp I didn't like in some way, shape, or form...id be surprised if the Therapy didn't sound awesome, just thought I'd ask. When I watch clips of it it definitely has that 6L6 vibe, I don't know what it is about those tubes; I've played fenders, red plates, and mesas with the 6L6 and they punished my ears even at low volume.
When you say it's self biasing, what does that mean as far as tube options? Can you just throw anything in there?
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Post by headshrinker (Marc) on Sept 26, 2015 10:27:32 GMT -7
Yep, you can put in any octal power tube.
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Post by savage8190 on Sept 26, 2015 10:33:48 GMT -7
Yep, you can put in any octal power tube. Well, that makes the Therapy extremely appealing to me! Doc Z should advertise this. Another one to add to the list...now to decide; Therapy, Z28, or Antidote. How does the Therapy take pedals? Especially fuzz?
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Post by JeffG on Sept 26, 2015 15:44:56 GMT -7
YES to everything iluvpunz said.
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Post by simpleton on Sept 26, 2015 16:03:46 GMT -7
It loves my Fat Fuzz Factory and my Death by Audio Fuzz War and Echo Dream...I think the top end is rounded more than say a Maz18....
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Post by savage8190 on Sept 27, 2015 11:39:18 GMT -7
Well then, I definitely need to try the Therapy. It's on the short list with the Z28, the Antidote I think is a bit overkill so it's out...
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Sept 27, 2015 12:52:36 GMT -7
The Therapy ROCKS. And it's got great sweet cleans too. Very usable master volume, it's a great amp. I can cover a lot of ground with that amp.
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Post by fishman on Sept 27, 2015 13:09:58 GMT -7
cleans, gotta have great cleans...otherwise you may as well get a crate 100watterSS off Ebay for $299.00 and a $20.00 metal pedal.Nothing wrong with that if that is what you want I use this formula crap clean=crap mean...
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Post by fishman on Sept 27, 2015 13:15:10 GMT -7
Savage, Z-28 in the top 3 Z'z out there IMHO It simply sounds musical. Have no idea on the Therapy, never seen or heard one in real time.. I will say this, stick neck out...there is no other Z that I know of that can give you that 28 sound...maybe the new Lux? old Jazz 20/40? maybe.. don;t know...I have had about 10 Z'z and while some can cross over to the other the 28 IMHO stands pretty much alone...I happen to love it...course I haved loved many..lol
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Post by bloozeman on Sept 29, 2015 13:30:49 GMT -7
The Therapy and the EZG are the two Z amps I disliked the most and couldnt bond with no matter how much I tried to hang onto them and want to love them, I just couldnt. I own the Maz jr, the M12 and the Jaz 20/40 and really like all 3 of those. I do want to try a Z28 some day
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Post by fishman on Sept 29, 2015 14:43:46 GMT -7
28 is a great amp, IMHO...it came down to a MAZ38NR or the 28, went with the MAZ simply for versatility. I could not bond with the EZG either...or the KT-45 for that matter. Nothing wrong with the amps, I just couldn;t "feel" em...Loved the 28, MAZ, so so on the Remedy, liked the SuperZ, liked the StingRay 2-12...that said, not that I could not get a decent sound out of all of them, I could. But so far its the MAZ38NR and Z-28 in the top spot...I am anxious to see how the Therapy does. I play a Strat and I am a 6L6 guy so at least on the surface it looks promising...lol...I am going to use a Z-410 cab...maybe get a touch of that SR vibe going on as well...will know after the weekend..should be here thurs and will play it Fri and Sat...The Beat Goes On. What did you not like bloozeman? what were you using for a cab? I am not sure on the cathode bias but will see how large the trade off is...thats what makes this fun for me. The only amps I hold on to now are Z'z and my old fenders...I don;t believe there is a bad Z amp...just some that I personally like more than others. I have heard amps of all kinds that I have had when other guys play em' and they sound killer...could be me!...I will post some thoughts on the Therapy after I have had some time to see what it's about.
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Post by Ridgeback on Sept 29, 2015 14:57:10 GMT -7
Savage, Z-28 in the top 3 Z'z out there IMHO It simply sounds musical. Have no idea on the Therapy, never seen or heard one in real time.. I will say this, stick neck out...there is no other Z that I know of that can give you that 28 sound...maybe the new Lux? old Jazz 20/40? maybe.. don;t know...I have had about 10 Z'z and while some can cross over to the other the 28 IMHO stands pretty much alone...I happen to love it...course I haved loved many..lol Couldn't have said it any better myself. Gone now due to finances, but my favorite Z creation. Some day I will have to try a 20\40 and a Z-Luxe
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Post by bloozeman on Sept 29, 2015 16:50:18 GMT -7
28 is a great amp, IMHO...it came down to a MAZ38NR or the 28, went with the MAZ simply for versatility. I could not bond with the EZG either...or the KT-45 for that matter. Nothing wrong with the amps, I just couldn;t "feel" em...Loved the 28, MAZ, so so on the Remedy, liked the SuperZ, liked the StingRay 2-12...that said, not that I could not get a decent sound out of all of them, I could. But so far its the MAZ38NR and Z-28 in the top spot...I am anxious to see how the Therapy does. I play a Strat and I am a 6L6 guy so at least on the surface it looks promising...lol...I am going to use a Z-410 cab...maybe get a touch of that SR vibe going on as well...will know after the weekend..should be here thurs and will play it Fri and Sat...The Beat Goes On. What did you not like bloozeman? what were you using for a cab? I am not sure on the cathode bias but will see how large the trade off is...thats what makes this fun for me. The only amps I hold on to now are Z'z and my old fenders...I don;t believe there is a bad Z amp...just some that I personally like more than others. I have heard amps of all kinds that I have had when other guys play em' and they sound killer...could be me!...I will post some thoughts on the Therapy after I have had some time to see what it's about. I had the Z 4x10 cabinet and hated it, it sounded way too middy for my taste, I used it with the EZG and definitely did not like it, although like the amps, I held onto it trying to learn to like it. Maybe it was just the 10"speakers, as Im not a big fan of 10s but I would love to try a super reverb. I did like the EZG more with a 2x12, but still just couldnt bond with it, it didnt have the right feel or tone for me. the therapy was the same way, just couldnt bond with the feel and tones. both amps I wanted to keep and wanted to love but I didnt. I hung onto them for months trying to convince myself Id learn to love them and bond with them but never did, I sold them eventually and havent given them a second thought or missed them one iota. I really like my Maz jr, but it seldom gets played, I think the last time that was played was about 5 months ago, the M12 gets a bit of use, and the Jaz 20/40 has been played 2 times in the last year, but I still love the amp and wont sell it because I use that one on outside gigs. mostly I use my M12 and find that it will cover just about every venue I throw at it. I use either a 1x12 or 2x12 cabinet depending on what mood im in
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Post by markT on Oct 1, 2015 5:59:52 GMT -7
The Therapy is anything but harsh, ear fatiguing, piercing. To the contrary I have found it to be a very rich pleasant sounding amp that can be thick, crisp, sweet, mean, soft, smooth, pretty much whatever you want to dial in. Speaker choice and cabinet will have a lot to do with the tonal output but I've used mine with several different speakers and been pleased with them all. We all have different ears but I've played mine in lots of venues at varied volumes from low to loud and never heard anything that I would call harsh or ear fatiguing. I could not have said it better myself. Exactly!
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Post by fishman on Oct 1, 2015 9:46:59 GMT -7
Bloozeman, here is my main gig amp...BFSR with 2-10's...old ipswitch made vintage 10's, old Rogers deep cab...they don;t make em anymore..the amp that never was...variable push/pull pot negFB control on speaker out jack..vibrato on push pull pot as well to take it out of the circut...killer amp...old fenders will get ya...
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Post by Maddog on Oct 1, 2015 10:10:34 GMT -7
......killer amp...old fenders will get ya...... Yes, they will!
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Post by bloozeman on Oct 1, 2015 11:16:46 GMT -7
......killer amp...old fenders will get ya...... Yes, they will! Those Bassmans look killer!! Love that look to death!! How are they compared to a super reverb? Ive been looking at the 59 bassman reissue LTD, absolutely love the looks
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Post by Maddog on Oct 2, 2015 4:19:39 GMT -7
^^^^^ The tweed bassman amps don't seem to have as much upper mids or treble as a BFSR. And of course, they don't have the Super's lush reverb nor it's beautifully throbbing vibrato. Both amps share a fairly equal amount of the robust bass register. The tweed Bassman has a softer midrange both in hi mids and low mids and the whole spectrum of frequencies in the Bassman goes into OD at lower volume than a Super. And being a tweed circuit, the Bassman's treble is easier to handle. They are sufficiently different that you really need one of each!!
PS: If you plan on getting a reissue, try to find one from the 90''s with the blue frame speakers ( not the newer Jensen re-makes). The 90 versions also have much better wood in the cabs and sound much better than the LTD amps which are pretty darn good on their own! Good luck!
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Post by fishman on Oct 2, 2015 7:26:11 GMT -7
Nice Bassmans! I had an early re-issue bassman with the blue alnico's,solid pine cab. aged the tweed a bit and it looked and sounded great. The early ones are the good ones...Very well built I may add.
For something a bit different , Fender made the BassBreaker...2-12...had one of those as well...shoulda kept that one...lol...
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