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Post by Baconator on Feb 21, 2015 12:57:31 GMT -7
So as I mentioned in an earlier thread I had a Celestion Gold delivered to me that was, to put it politely, FUBAR. UPS has finally replied to the initial claim saying that they want to come by and see the cabinet and packing materials which I had the foresight to keep. The seller said regardless of what they say he wants to make things right and either get me a gold or allow me to pick from his sizable collection of speakers.
One thing he offered up was a creamback and he has both 65 and 75 watt versions. I think this might actually be a better fit for me than a Gold since I could use a quieter speaker most of the time and I do have a Z-Best if I need to get stupid loud.
Is there one version that would be a better fit for my Maz 18NR AND my Route 66 or are the amps different enough that one speaker wouldn't work well with both?
Should I hold out for a Gold knowing that it'll be tough to reign in the volume much of the time (I do own a Brake Lite)? Is there another speaker that might be more up my alley?
I do have a V30 loaded Orange 1-12 (sealed back) and I do find it a little harsh in the upper end. The one time I did try a Gold with my Route 66 it did sound pretty sweet even though it wasn't much less bright than the V30 to my uneducated ears.
Any and all advice from my Z-brethren is greatly appreciated!
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Post by John on Feb 21, 2015 16:03:27 GMT -7
Gold=100db Creamback H=100db Creamback M=97db
The M is much quieter, it sounds like a greenback...which is in the same ballpark as the gold. (yeah, I know there are some differences.)
The Creamback H is just a high powered G12H30...and it's still 100db loud. (as loud as a gold) And as I've said many times on this forum, I'm not a fan of the G12H30...and so I would probably not be a fan of the creamback H. Fine sounding by yourself, terrible when playing with a band.
So I would think the Creamback H would be completely off your list for the following reasons: 1) It's just as loud as a gold 2) It won't sound anything like a gold.
The gold is known for lush mids and bit recessed bass. The H is known for big bold bass, very crispy highs, and recessed mids. A 'scooped' sounding speaker if you will.
Creamback M will at least be in the ballpark of a gold. But it will be considerably quieter.
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Post by Baconator on Feb 21, 2015 16:45:56 GMT -7
Gold=100db Creamback H=100db Creamback M=97db The M is much quieter, it sounds like a greenback...which is in the same ballpark as the gold. (yeah, I know there are some differences.) The Creamback H is just a high powered G12H30...and it's still 100db loud. (as loud as a gold) And as I've said many times on this forum, I'm not a fan of the G12H30...and so I would probably not be a fan of the creamback H. Fine sounding by yourself, terrible when playing with a band. So I would think the Creamback H would be completely off your list for the following reasons: 1) It's just as loud as a gold 2) It won't sound anything like a gold. The gold is known for lush mids and bit recessed bass. The H is known for big bold bass, very crispy highs, and recessed mids. A 'scooped' sounding speaker if you will. Creamback M will at least be in the ballpark of a gold. But it will be considerably quieter. Thanks so much, John! There was a reason I put your name in the subject header. In your experience is the M a little smoother in the top end as the seller suggests in comparison to the Gold? Either way I think it might be a good fit for me. Cheers!
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Post by John on Feb 21, 2015 19:22:00 GMT -7
Yeah, I would say the gold has just a touch more sizzle in the crispy high end area. But it's not much, and I don't think anyone would notice during a gig.
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Post by Baconator on Feb 26, 2015 9:28:54 GMT -7
So yesterday I received the Creamback from the seller of the defunct cabinet and I was surprised to see it was a brand new speaker. I had just assumed when he said he had two Creambacks that they were used. Anyhow, I just installed it and wailed away on it for a bit (my ears are ringing as I type). I like it, but I was really surprised by how much bass it has. This could be the speaker or it could be as least partially due to the cabinet since I'm not really used to open back cabinets and it was very close to the wall now that I think about it. From doing a little research it seems as if Celestion intentionally designed the speaker to have more bass than a greenback but with the mids and highs untouched - this would make sense from my very limited listening since the ample bass doesn't make the speaker seem dark in the least. I think it might benefit from breaking in, but being the novice that I am I really don't know how much to expect. I think I may hook up my Black Box to my Route 66 since it has a drum machine in it and let it go for a while.
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Post by Jefferson on Mar 3, 2015 21:47:57 GMT -7
I am a huge fan of the M version of the creamback. in fact, I just ordered a second OP,one to replace my gold. I love the gold, but like the op, I just need less volume for my normal gigs. I find the creamback to be a cross of the greenback and the gold as john eluded to.
to my ear, it has ample bass/thump but not so much that it feels boomy. I think "punchy" is a good word for the creamback. the mids are very lush like a gold or a blue. the highs are sparkly, but not shrill in the least.
OP, I think as your speaker breaks in a bit you are going to really appreciate it more and more.
not sure how celestion gave a ceramic speaker so many wonderful alnico attributes.
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