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Post by texan2step on Feb 17, 2015 7:50:29 GMT -7
So I know everyone talks of the versatility of the Maz 18 and how it's the "Swiss Army Knife" if amps, but I'm wondering if I could make a cab to further bring that out? I have a 1 x 12" combo with a Gold that I love and I'm thinking of pairing that British speaker with an American speaker. My question is, would this further enhance the versatility or make it sound worse? I was thinking about this when looking at the tone chart and figured I'd see if anyone has tried it and what the results were. I know I'd want a 100 db speaker to match the Gold but what are your thoughts on an pairing the amp that way? Best of both worlds?
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Feb 17, 2015 9:27:39 GMT -7
Would sound good with blue/gold
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Post by texan2step on Feb 17, 2015 9:39:44 GMT -7
I've thought about that too! I'm going to pair it with something in a 1 x 12 extension cab but I'm torn. I also thought something ceramic to go with my Alnico but I don't know. I'm really curious to try an American sounding speaker and see how the two sound because this amp is very versatile and I could see having a little of each flavor to further add to the versatility.
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Post by texan2step on Feb 17, 2015 20:48:05 GMT -7
No one has tried this with their MAZ?
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Post by fuggle on Feb 18, 2015 8:32:12 GMT -7
I pair my blue (which is like a gold but lower wattage handling and a little less low end) with a ceramic C90. I find that I get the percussive low end crunch that the Blue lacks combined with the sweet chimey top end of the Blue. A gold and a high sensitivity ceramic would be a good combination. I also have my ceramic in a closed back cabinet and the blue in an open back for added variety. Not sure about the British /American speaker combo idea though. Both these speakers are British
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Post by simpleton on Feb 18, 2015 9:56:52 GMT -7
I've got an oversized cab that has and American Sounding 10" WGS G10C/S ( like an Eminence Rajun Cajun ) as well as a G12H heritage copy ( WGS Reaper 55hz ) ... So this is essentially a different kind of American/British combination. Every time I pair speakers together...or amps for what it's worth...one of them will dominate the sound and the other will be more supportive.
I might think a cab switcher to switch between the British/American Speakers would better utilize their American/British-ness. The Gold being in one maybe consider a Jensen Alnico or wait for Doc new Eminence 12" that sounds American to come out. But if you think of the most well known British speaker( Blue/Gold, V30, G12H30 ) the most well known American sound seems to be coming from the Jensen historical side of stuff. Eminence has a lot to choose from in that sound as well as WGS....well that's my jumbled mess of a thought.
If they are paired I don't think you will see their uniqueness as much as if they are separated.
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Post by texan2step on Feb 18, 2015 20:44:11 GMT -7
Thanks all! I've considered a ceramic offering and I may end up that route. I know there are a lot of fans of the G12H30 and Blue/Gold. I wasn't sure what would happen pairing British and American speakers. I may have to just give it a shot. I figured it would either sound like crap or make the amp more versatile. For some reason I don't see a middle ground with this pairing. I appreciate the thoughts!
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Post by 5stringtele on Mar 1, 2015 8:54:52 GMT -7
Here is my 2 cents. I have tried a lot of speakers over the last year in different cabs that I have built. 1x12 Blue, 2x12 Blues, 1x12 Emminance EJ-1250, The EJ combined a Greenback, a low watt Tone Tubby, The TT with the GB, and various different combinations of all the above. But hands down my favorite is an open back 2x12 with a Blue and a G12H 70th. I built the cab out of 1/4" American made ply(it's a full 1/4" thick) that I reinforced with 1x poplar. The top portion of the baffle is slanted up. I covered the cab with some suede that I bought cheap on E-Bay. Overall a very lightweight. I also added a small removable platform made out of 1/4" ply and 1x poplar for my Brakelite. This cab with the 2 Celestions sounds like heaven! Also should mention that I recently purchased a WGS et-65 and built an oversized 1x12 cab for it to use for rehearsals and and smaller gigs where I need to tame the volume. I've used it at home only so far and its not broken in yet but it sounds pretty darned good. Here are some pics of the cabs.
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Post by jimiata on Mar 1, 2015 9:02:46 GMT -7
Well done, very innovative designs! Jim
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Post by texan2step on Mar 1, 2015 9:43:36 GMT -7
Man I love the Tele cutout on that cab under your Z!!! That looks awesome. I really appreciate the thoughts.
I think I'll go with the G12H and the Blue. I definitely don't like a G12H by itself but I could see that pairing sounding good with the Blue. Ultimately, I thought if I could pair two speakers that were very different it would further bring out the versatility of the MAZ and sound great with any amp you plugged into it. But, maybe I'm dreaming a bit! Too man good options out there...
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Post by dewiecox on Mar 16, 2015 8:28:27 GMT -7
The Blue/G12h is a dynamite combo. If I chose just one with the Maz it's a Reaper 55 from WGS, which is G12H with a different cone for a bigger bottom. The two together, though...whew boy watch out now. One of the great sounds in guitar ampdom, IMO.
From experience and prevailing wisdom I've come across on the web, I agree with the sentiment above, that british and American voiced speakers are a great way to bring out those different characteristics in the Maz. A lot of classic amp sounds have speakers that they're paired with and the speakers often get overlooked as part of the defining voice of said amps....a greenback for Marshall sounds, a blue of Vox, etc
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Post by texan2step on Mar 16, 2015 9:02:29 GMT -7
The Blue/G12h is a dynamite combo. If I chose just one with the Maz it's a Reaper 55 from WGS, which is G12H with a different cone for a bigger bottom. The two together, though...whew boy watch out now. One of the great sounds in guitar ampdom, IMO. From experience and prevailing wisdom I've come across on the web, I agree with the sentiment above, that british and American voiced speakers are a great way to bring out those different characteristics in the Maz. A lot of classic amp sounds have speakers that they're paired with and the speakers often get overlooked as part of the defining voice of said amps....a greenback for Marshall sounds, a blue of Vox, etc So do you think the Blue and Reaper would be a good match speaker sensitivity-wise? That's my big concern is making sure they match fairly closely. If the Blue overpowers slightly I'm okay with that but I don't want to drown out the sound of the Blue as I love it.
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Post by strat59 on Mar 16, 2015 9:30:24 GMT -7
Haven't tried it with my "Z's" yet, but I have a Blue and a G12H30 in my Vox AC30. I like it better than having the 2 Blues it came with. Really sounds good. FWIW
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Post by 5stringtele on Mar 16, 2015 16:44:59 GMT -7
Well, I hate to throw a monkey wrench into the gears but as I mentioned in my previous post I bought a WGS et-65 and I'm really loving it. For kicks I tried it with a Blue and it blew me away! They are each in their own 1x12 cabs. Not sure how they would sound in a 2X12 cab but I'm guessing it would be good. The Blue is a tad louder than the 65 but that's not a bad thing. Blue/ G12H30 or Blue/ET-65? You cant go wrong with either but I'm leaning towards the latter.
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Post by dewiecox on Mar 17, 2015 5:34:16 GMT -7
The Blue/G12h is a dynamite combo. If I chose just one with the Maz it's a Reaper 55 from WGS, which is G12H with a different cone for a bigger bottom. The two together, though...whew boy watch out now. One of the great sounds in guitar ampdom, IMO. From experience and prevailing wisdom I've come across on the web, I agree with the sentiment above, that british and American voiced speakers are a great way to bring out those different characteristics in the Maz. A lot of classic amp sounds have speakers that they're paired with and the speakers often get overlooked as part of the defining voice of said amps....a greenback for Marshall sounds, a blue of Vox, etc So do you think the Blue and Reaper would be a good match speaker sensitivity-wise? That's my big concern is making sure they match fairly closely. If the Blue overpowers slightly I'm okay with that but I don't want to drown out the sound of the Blue as I love it. I don't think you have any concerns on that front. They're both rated at 100db and the Blue shouldn't have any trouble keeping up with any speaker, with the way it's voiced.
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Post by texan2step on Mar 17, 2015 6:17:29 GMT -7
Well, at the cost of those WGS speakers it certainly won't hurt to try one! I really like the sounds of the ET65 a lot and I've heard the ravings of the G12H30, so I might beg my wife to let me buy both of the WGS offerings and try them both! It might be a bit but I'll let you know what I think. I'm also waiting for my PCNS order to come in with my speaker jumper cable. Todd is great to deal with and I'm excited to try these cables!
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