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Post by bigben55 on Feb 12, 2015 14:33:22 GMT -7
I need an overdrive pedal. One pedal. I don't care how old, new, cheap, expensive, cool, ugly, fashionable, etc. I need it to do one thing and one thing only....
To make my Z28 2x10 combo, set to 9-10-10, sound like it does at 3-3-3, at roughly the same volume. With a good telecaster and a cord.
Now, imagining that I'm asking the impossible out of a little box of transistors and diodes, lets just try to shoot as accurately for THAT level of overdrive, that type of overdrive, as we possibly can. I don't need versatility, extra modes, don't care how is stacks with other pedals, how much space it takes up or where its made. But I don't want to wait on a list for 6 months for it either.
GO
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Post by Christopher on Feb 12, 2015 15:59:46 GMT -7
EP boost or SL drive in the +6db dipswitch setting. That's the only way I run the SL b/c there's too much gain otherwise. Additionally, I feel it's a very bright pedal anyhow and you can make the '28 sing with it. Or you can put the EP at noon and hit the amp at your settings with a pleasant result, too. Those are easily findable, inexpensive, small footprint stomps without too many knobs/options to confound anyone.
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Post by Stephen on Feb 12, 2015 16:16:35 GMT -7
What about 3-3-3 and a brake-lite? That's what I use on my Route 66.
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Post by "Z" Steve on Feb 12, 2015 16:39:44 GMT -7
Natch'l overdrive is great, but I love my Tim or Timmy pedal(s) with the 28.
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Post by southmusic70 on Feb 12, 2015 18:07:12 GMT -7
There was some discussion here earlier about the Fulltone FullDrive 3, and there were some people that liked it and some that didn't.
It's gotten so when I play a variety job with my 28 and one of my humbucker-equipped guitars, the only thing I take besides my amp, 2 cables and the guitar is a FullDrive 3.
It may be worth a look.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Feb 12, 2015 18:58:28 GMT -7
I cannot confirm because I no longer own one, but I'm thinking an Xotic BB would get you to that 3-3-3 setting quite appropriately. Also maybe the Barber Direct Drive (any variant).
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Post by Buzz Fretwear (Ignatius) on Feb 12, 2015 19:01:57 GMT -7
I dunno if it'll do 3-3-3, but the Timmy is amazing.
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Post by limenine on Feb 12, 2015 19:41:30 GMT -7
Call me crazy, but take a look at the Catalinbread RAH. I think you could dial that in to be a pretty good 3-3-3 approximation.
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Post by bigben55 on Feb 12, 2015 20:01:38 GMT -7
Keep them coming. I have a good board with lots of dirt(Fat Boost 3, old Fulldrive2, SL Drive, EQD Hoof Reaper) but I want this as a standalone "for this purpose only" overdrive
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Post by bigben55 on Feb 13, 2015 8:21:23 GMT -7
EP boost or SL drive in the +6db dipswitch setting. That's the only way I run the SL b/c there's too much gain otherwise. Additionally, I feel it's a very bright pedal anyhow and you can make the '28 sing with it. Or you can put the EP at noon and hit the amp at your settings with a pleasant result, too. Those are easily findable, inexpensive, small footprint stomps without too many knobs/options to confound anyone. How exactly do you set your SL Drive, all 4 dip switches. When I got it, for my pedalboard, I tried all the combinations and actually liked the stock one best, but I bought it FOR the Marshall in a box sound. It's my highest gain pedal. For THIS application, I don't want a Marshall in a box; rather 3-3-3 in a box. BUT, I did the SL Drive, wouldn't be opposed to buying a 2nd one and I can easily set mine to your suggested settings and evaluate.
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Post by kustom250 on Feb 13, 2015 8:38:39 GMT -7
Way Huge Red Llama is my go to pedal for "more amp". Careful of pedals that are voiced for BF Fenders.
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Post by southmusic70 on Feb 13, 2015 8:57:16 GMT -7
Keeley Katana, maybe
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Post by bigben55 on Feb 13, 2015 9:00:21 GMT -7
Way Huge Red Llama is my go to pedal for "more amp". Careful of pedals that are voiced for BF Fenders. Why so?
I have a TS9 Tube Screamer lying around. Use it with a different amp. I totally do not like it with the Z28, and I think its because its a mid heavy pedal into a mid heavy amp. I was actually thinking about trying a Wampler Black 65, obviously a BF Fender sounding pedal. Why? If its truly BF sounding, its mid scooped to a point. The whole reason IMO Tube Screamers rock with BF/SF Fenders is because its a low mids amp and a high mids pedal, combining to be just the right amount of mids. But maybe I'm wrong.
There are lots of "more amp" type pedals out there. There are lots of pedal discussion boards. I want this to be Z28 specific. We all know what 3-3-3 and a tele sound like. That's what I want, so who better to ask?
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Post by bigben55 on Feb 13, 2015 9:15:08 GMT -7
RE: various clean boosts. I like them. BUT, I don't think they'd work for this application(please correct me if I'm wrong). I want 3-3-3 in a box, but at the same or SLIGHTLY higher overall volume as the amp set to 9-10-10. My experience with clean boosts is that in order to get that dirt, they need to up the volume, which I don't want to do. I'm thinking the pedal I'm looking for probably needs separate drive, volume and tone controls. But I could be wrong...
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Post by kustom250 on Feb 13, 2015 9:17:46 GMT -7
If you scoop or boost the mids you change the tone. Which is fine and sometimes you get a great sound. If you want the sound of the amp, just louder and more broken up you don't want to change the tone.
At least I don't.
I hate TS style pedals. But I don't play any BF voiced amps so I'm not using the kind of amp they work best with.
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Post by bigben55 on Feb 13, 2015 9:34:27 GMT -7
If you scoop or boost the mids you change the tone. Which is fine and sometimes you get a great sound. If you want the sound of the amp, just louder and more broken up you don't want to change the tone. At least I don't. I hate TS style pedals. But I don't play any BF voiced amps so I'm not using the kind of amp they work best with. Good point. I guess the goal is to not significantly ADD more mids then.
I don't I hate the TS9 with the Z28 though, so I want to avoid those and the like. I do have an old FD2 on my board, but really only like it with a strat.
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Post by kustom250 on Feb 13, 2015 9:41:57 GMT -7
The FD2 is a TS style pedal. You can set it for flatter mids, but you still get the bass cut. The bass cut is the other thing that makes TS pedals work with BF style amps.
I can't remember what the Red Llama is based on. But I do know there's a few other pedals based on the same circuit so you might be able to find one pretty cheap to try. Yeah...that's not super helpful without the actual circuit....sorry.
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Post by Christopher on Feb 13, 2015 11:25:01 GMT -7
I think the only switch that's up is the far right one if you have it open. The rest are all down. According to the Xotic folks that's just a 6db boost on a dial with gain and tone to futz with. I usually keep the V between 10-11 oclock and the dist at 9 oclock, tone around 11 oclock. You can tweak to taste but that's a nice crispy tone for you with a '28. HTH
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Post by southmusic70 on Feb 13, 2015 12:27:15 GMT -7
The Katana has a pull drive on the boost level knob.
Maybe not the answer but just full disclosure.
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Post by hymns on Feb 13, 2015 13:11:15 GMT -7
I always liked the bearfoot H models with the 28.
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Post by Frankie Starr on Feb 13, 2015 14:34:20 GMT -7
RC Booster, Flying Dragon, Timmy
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Post by gfreak on Feb 13, 2015 20:32:24 GMT -7
SHO, EP Booster, or Timmy. Although you are looking for one pedal, sometimes two of the mentioned pedals on at the same time set mid way is killer.
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Post by trim450 on Feb 14, 2015 20:50:08 GMT -7
I bought a klone klon or klon klone off of Shane at rock your repaired amp service, I don't know about the 28 but with the ray its awesome, pretty transparent but adds some mids that makes this thing cut.Timmy sounds great to , just scooped more.
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Post by bigben55 on Feb 21, 2015 15:25:34 GMT -7
So, sold the TS9, re-bought a pedal I once had and liked years ago, the venerable Fulltone OCD, v4. THIS is a great match for the Z28, my Z28 at least. I set the amp at 9-10-10, have the pedal set at Vol=2, Tone=12, Drive=12, in LP mode and with a tele or ASAT Special its almost perfect. Tone/drive-wise very similar to 3-3-3, less bass maybe. There's something to be said for volume and air movement, because while its not DEAD NUTZ on, TONALLY its very close, minus the vol/air, and that's not the pedal's fault. It cleans up well, and is very dynamic/touch sensitive, as I remember it being. Set as it is, it is not overly bright or fizzy as I know the OCD can be. I wouldn't take the drive any further, or the tone.
$75 used. It just might keep me from buying Greenbacks and a Z Brake Lite;-)
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