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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Feb 3, 2015 8:47:44 GMT -7
Hi guys, I couldn't find the last thread so thought I'd start another one........ I've had the V30 for a few weeks now, and although it's breaking in, there is that definite mid-high Celestion spike when the amp is running hot - I've noticed it on every Cel I've ever owned. When I was at my guitar weekend with Aynsley Lister he absolutely concurred and said that's why he never uses Cel speakers............. He played my Therapy through his Marshall combo speakers (2x Eminence Red Coat Governors) and it sounded epic - richer and fuller with no spike to be heard. Anyway, I dug my never-used Governor out of the shed yesterday, and replaced the V30....... and there it was. Rich, full, raunchy, and no spike!! I was totally surprised how GREAT this speaker sounded. It also has less of a mid focus than the V30; still plenty of great mids, but not so prominent. I only did this because that high spike was annoying me at our gig last Sat - I just couldn't dial it out. Now its gone! Thanks Aynsley
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Post by Baconator on Feb 3, 2015 10:46:02 GMT -7
Always great to hear a story with a happy ending like this. I've got a love/hate relationship with the V30 but unlike you I generally like the spike on gigs, I just hate it at home. It's heading out the door soon and I've got a Gold inbound, but if I find myself unhappy with it I'll definitely give the Governor a shot.
Cheers!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 10:56:53 GMT -7
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Post by headshrinker (Marc) on Feb 3, 2015 11:11:38 GMT -7
Recently started using an Eminence Texas Heat I got from Mark (Basement Enthusiast) with my Therapy and love it. It's like the offspring of an American and British voiced speaker. Lots of lows and highs but with great mids with no spike. It was brand new and sounded good right out of the box. I think as a general rule Eminences sound better out of the box than Celestions. It's a 150 watt speaker, so it will take years and years to break in with a 30 watt amp, but for me it doesn't need it.
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Post by nicholas on Feb 3, 2015 11:15:18 GMT -7
Glad you found a speaker you really like Pete. I know what you mean about how all Celestion speakers have it. That is "their sound" and they seem to have different shades and variations of it. Some love it, some don't. I really like the Eminence CRex. I know Frankie mentioned he really likes the Eminence Swamp Thing. I was thinking about trying the Red White and Blues, it's labeled on the Eminence web site as the American Governor. I really like how they have the speaker sound clips set up. You can settle in on a clip that most reflects your playing style then listen to all the speakers playing the exact same thing. Cool if you ask me.
Rock that Therapy with whatever floats your boat.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Feb 3, 2015 11:27:37 GMT -7
That's the boyo - but min is 8 ohm. It seems to like the Therapy very much, when she's HOT! (I haven' had a chance to compare with the cleans yet, but I imagine if you find the Therapy a dark amp to begin with, this might be too rich and thick a speaker for you..... or maybe not. Plenty of mids, just not so much as the V30, and a little less honky in tone. Also no spike, as I say.)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 13:07:05 GMT -7
That's the boyo - but min is 8 ohm. It seems to like the Therapy very much, when she's HOT! (I haven' had a chance to compare with the cleans yet, but I imagine if you find the Therapy a dark amp to begin with, this might be too rich and thick a speaker for you..... or maybe not. Plenty of mids, just not so much as the V30, and a little less honky in tone. Also no spike, as I say.) Actually I like the Amp but missing my Remedy -Debating about either selling this or finding a Remedy thats in good shape to swap with .
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Post by bloozeman on Feb 3, 2015 13:12:07 GMT -7
Recently started using an Eminence Texas Heat I got from Mark (Basement Enthusiast) with my Therapy and love it. It's like the offspring of an American and British voiced speaker. Lots of lows and highs but with great mids with no spike. It was brand new and sounded good right out of the box. I think as a general rule Eminences sound better out of the box than Celestions. It's a 150 watt speaker, so it will take years and years to break in with a 30 watt amp, but for me it doesn't need it. I use the texas heats in my 1x12 and my 2x12 with my maz jr and therapy both. I really like them. nice and warm and just the right amount of EQ in a speaker for me
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Post by pcns on Feb 4, 2015 5:26:01 GMT -7
I spend more time lately dialing my tone to fit into the mix of the band. When I dial in without the band I find my sound lost when the rest of the group starts playing. I need to cut thru without dominating the volume. That said, glad you found something you like, hopefully that translates to the stage for you. Todd
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Feb 4, 2015 6:11:16 GMT -7
I spend more time lately dialing my tone to fit into the mix of the band. When I dial in without the band I find my sound lost when the rest of the group starts playing. I need to cut thru without dominating the volume. That said, glad you found something you like, hopefully that translates to the stage for you. Todd The secret is the mid control - turn it up!
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Post by nmz on Feb 4, 2015 8:55:04 GMT -7
Good to hear Pete! I was thinking of trying some new speakers.
I thought I read something about the Dr working with eminence recently.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Feb 5, 2015 20:51:37 GMT -7
I spend more time lately dialing my tone to fit into the mix of the band. When I dial in without the band I find my sound lost when the rest of the group starts playing. I need to cut thru without dominating the volume. That said, glad you found something you like, hopefully that translates to the stage for you. Todd The secret is the mid control - turn it up! Oh yes indeed - mine's maxed at all times!! VERY lively tone
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Post by smolder on Feb 5, 2015 21:08:17 GMT -7
Here's a tip. Hook your V30 up to a good bass rhythm and let it break in for about seven years.
Ok, I may be exaggerating a tad, but they do take an abnormally long time to break in. Once they do, they sound remarkably like a celestion blue. I took a very brutally beat up 4 ohm oddball specimen in on trade and it's utterly fantastic sounding. This after buying and selling six of them before I knew.
...but I digress.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Feb 15, 2015 11:47:31 GMT -7
Just gigged the Governor last night.... have to ask, where has Eminence been all my life?? This speaker is perfect for the Therapy, at least the way I'm playing it (hot). It really rocks, but has none of that spike or edge I find in the Celestion speakers, as I've said. I actually got some seriously experienced compliments on my tone last night from a couple of audience members who are good players. They were very curios about my rig indeed Even my BB has none of its upper mids honk now - still plenty of ballsy mids, and GREAT OD tones, but that difficult to dial out "honk" has gone. Happy Camper
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 13:29:29 GMT -7
Just gigged the Governor last night.... have to ask, where has Eminence been all my life?? This speaker is perfect for the Therapy, at least the way I'm playing it (hot). It really rocks, but has none of that spike or edge I find in the Celestion speakers, as I've said. I actually got some seriously experienced compliments on my tone last night from a couple of audience members who are good players. They were very curios about my rig indeed Even my BB has none of its upper mids honk now - still plenty of ballsy mids, and GREAT OD tones, but that difficult to dial out "honk" has gone. Happy Camper Thanks Pete - Bret or Bart or the Horse ?
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Post by nmz on Feb 15, 2015 15:47:54 GMT -7
Just gigged the Governor last night.... have to ask, where has Eminence been all my life?? This speaker is perfect for the Therapy, at least the way I'm playing it (hot). It really rocks, but has none of that spike or edge I find in the Celestion speakers, as I've said. I actually got some seriously experienced compliments on my tone last night from a couple of audience members who are good players. They were very curios about my rig indeed Even my BB has none of its upper mids honk now - still plenty of ballsy mids, and GREAT OD tones, but that difficult to dial out "honk" has gone. Happy Camper Hmmmmm, I think I might pull the trigger.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Feb 16, 2015 3:17:22 GMT -7
Just gigged the Governor last night.... have to ask, where has Eminence been all my life?? This speaker is perfect for the Therapy, at least the way I'm playing it (hot). It really rocks, but has none of that spike or edge I find in the Celestion speakers, as I've said. I actually got some seriously experienced compliments on my tone last night from a couple of audience members who are good players. They were very curios about my rig indeed Even my BB has none of its upper mids honk now - still plenty of ballsy mids, and GREAT OD tones, but that difficult to dial out "honk" has gone. Happy Camper Hmmmmm, I think I might pull the trigger. Well, they're not expensive, and if it doesn't work out, it should be easy to move on with minimal loss. That was my thinking, but it turned out I really did like it, so now I have a V30 for sale
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Post by nmz on Feb 18, 2015 19:10:00 GMT -7
Ok got the governor installed. Honk is gone!!! Very happy about that. It was starting to really bug me. Also it seems to be a little more responsive to my guitar controls which is nice. The bass might be a little weak but I need to give it more time.
It was advertised as used but it was brand new so it is stiff. I'll hook it up to the stereo tonight.
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Post by walt on Feb 25, 2015 19:20:15 GMT -7
I just ordered a therapy,i'll be using it with a homemade 1x12 cabinet with a Weber 12F150,which is known as a Blackface,DRRI replacement speaker.If it doesn't work with that,i have some money to play with so i'll try some speakers discussed here.Any opinions on the weber with the Therapy? I'll also try a Ibanez 4X12 I got for 50 bucks from a metal kid in my neighborhood.For all the cheap pressboardness of it,and all the gig abuse he left on it,it sounds pretty good-especially for 50 bucks..
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Post by walt on Mar 8, 2015 18:17:00 GMT -7
After putting in a broken in Eminence wizard,8 ohms,i loved the way my therapy sounded.Doing some reading,i found most people use the wizard in a closed cab-so I closed my 1x12 up today,and it is even better-really nice bottom end,this is a really good late 60's early seventies rock speaker.I was changing settings,and found a decent emulation of Angus Young on down payment blues,one of the top 10 guitar tones ever in my book. I REALLY like how the guitar tone pots and volume knob become almost another circuit of the amp,changing sound and gain.even my 5 way switch is more active/noticible-like Hendrix on Voodoo Chile slight return.When I first got the amp I knew my intonation was off,because any chords above the 8th fret sounded sour-the amp is that sensitive.
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Post by ME on Mar 8, 2015 18:57:15 GMT -7
I spend more time lately dialing my tone to fit into the mix of the band. When I dial in without the band I find my sound lost when the rest of the group starts playing. I need to cut thru without dominating the volume. That said, glad you found something you like, hopefully that translates to the stage for you. Todd Tone is subjective thing we all fight over. I have always found that what many perceive as a good tone is very broad and tends to overwhelm in a band situation. This is especially true in a band with more than one guitar and when you add in keyboards it becomes even more problematic. EQ is the key when recording. This helps when playing out, but getting a a good mix isn't an easy thing. I, being the annoying guitarist that I am, go the other way. Bad tone, thin, overly thick, scooped, whatever the other guitarist isn't, I'm there. It usually sounds like crap by itself, but works in the band. ME
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Mar 9, 2015 5:20:35 GMT -7
Secret's in the mids.
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Post by ME on Mar 9, 2015 10:12:25 GMT -7
Yes this is where a guitarist can cut through the mix. Especially with lead playing. When two or more guitarists get together there needs to be a shift between them else it is difficult to hear what an individual player is adding to the song. ME PS. It can also be difficult to hear yourself when you are right on top of your amp. The projection of your sound makes you louder away from the amp. My band mates often complain about me being too loud. They are across the room and hear me just fine, they don't hear themselves too well. We have often recorded our practice sessions with a Zoom H2 just sitting in the room. The mix, to me is good, even when they say I'm LOUD.
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Post by nmz on Mar 29, 2015 15:26:14 GMT -7
Swapped out the governor for a WGS veteran 30. I liked that the governor took the honk out but I did not like the lows, kind'a mushy. So I picked up a veteran 30 and immediately loved it. Brought back the definition of the bottom end and cut the db's down a little.
I have tried a Gold, V30, Creamback M, Govenor, G12T-75, and now the Veteran 30. The Veteran 30 maintains all the clairity I liked with the V30 but no honk! And the drop in db's is the cherry on top. Highly recommend!
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Post by jesslm02 on Mar 29, 2015 16:53:35 GMT -7
Swapped out the governor for a WGS veteran 30. I liked that the governor took the honk out but I did not like the lows, kind'a mushy. So I picked up a veteran 30 and immediately loved it. Brought back the definition of the bottom end and cut the db's down a little. I have tried a Gold, V30, Creamback M, Govenor, G12T-75, and now the Veteran 30. The Veteran 30 maintains all the clairity I liked with the V30 but no honk! And the drop in db's is the cherry on top. Highly recommend! Yea the Vet 30 sounds great with the Therapy. If anyone doesn't like the Celestion Vintage 30, you should give the WGS Veteran 30 some serious consideration.
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Post by simpleton on Mar 31, 2015 1:11:11 GMT -7
Swapped out the governor for a WGS veteran 30. I liked that the governor took the honk out but I did not like the lows, kind'a mushy. So I picked up a veteran 30 and immediately loved it. Brought back the definition of the bottom end and cut the db's down a little. I have tried a Gold, V30, Creamback M, Govenor, G12T-75, and now the Veteran 30. The Veteran 30 maintains all the clairity I liked with the V30 but no honk! And the drop in db's is the cherry on top. Highly recommend! Yea the Vet 30 sounds great with the Therapy. If anyone doesn't like the Celestion Vintage 30, you should give the WGS Veteran 30 some serious consideration. Building on that I loved my WGS Retro 30 but it developed a strange noise to which WGS suggested that it might have 'metal' stuck in it ... I need to call them and ask a few questions and decide on repair or getting a new one as I bought mine used. In the meantime I just picked up a Eminence GB128 Legend from the BST and it sound great with the band...not as full or diverse as the Retro but none the less did fine in the mix. The Retro is WGS take on the V30 whereas the Vintage 30 is their betterment of it. The Retro immediately took away the sharpness of the Celestion and yet was still wide ranging and complimentary of ALL the sounds the Therapy holds in its beautiful circuitry. The GB128 is the Eminence nod to their idea of a Green Back. Of course louder and handles more watts as most Eminence stuff seems to. A little more narrow of a frequency band and not as able to cover the American side of the Therapy as the Retro did. The Retro specs at 100 db. I've really loved all three varieties of WGS speakers I've tried.
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