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Post by stumbler on Jan 29, 2015 8:32:14 GMT -7
Hi all,
I've owned a z28 2x10 since 2007. I play a lot roots/rock-a-billy/blues styled music and while I love a lot of what the z28 has on tap, I want to coax a more vintage Fender tone from this amp. With due respect to all proponents of the 3-3-3 setting, I lean towards having the volume dimed, a click or two on the Brakelite, the treble and bass rolled well back before noon, more like 9 o'clock. But I find the sound Dr Z a little hard hitting. I realize the Dr Z circuit has a lot to do with this, but I'm wondering if a speaker swap, a pair of lower wattage celestian 10'" greenbacks for example, would soften the attack a bit, make the attack a little more 'forgiving'?
I realize there's a ton of speaker dialogue on this site, but not from folks seeking the same tone territory as me. Thanks in advance for your time and insight.
Best,
Stumber
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Post by Christopher on Jan 29, 2015 10:03:13 GMT -7
A pair of greens would probably be stellar. Or a green and some alnico style if you want the max flavor mix. if you want to be more F style I'd go w a pair of jensens. The lower wattage (15-25w) ceramics im a pair would be less efficient and more in the old school tone department. Lots of options. The thing w running the V dimed is you inhibit the character the tone knobs impart bc they are under noon. At noon on the V you can get ample volume without choking it down using a BL. Just my two cents. There's a lot of tonal difference and breakup w the T and B past noon. I don't roll 3-3-3 style w my '28 but can get a great classic guitar tone w the V at noon B between 11-1 & T @ 1-2. That also leaves plenty in the tank if I need to be louder.
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Post by "Z" Steve on Jan 29, 2015 10:23:19 GMT -7
I put a Weber Blue Pup and Silver Ten in my 2x10 cab and it works great for me.
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Post by pcns on Jan 29, 2015 19:36:39 GMT -7
Z28 with 10" Greenback is a very awesome sound. I fell in love with a little surf green 1x10 combo with a Greenback it at Zfest a few years ago.
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Post by headshrinker (Marc) on Jan 29, 2015 21:52:23 GMT -7
Did the same thing as Todd. Mine now is in a 210 with both greenbacks. Even better!
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Post by smolder on Jan 29, 2015 23:19:58 GMT -7
C-golds are matched with mine.
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Post by Joey Beverages on Jan 30, 2015 7:03:00 GMT -7
Been a long-time fan of the Z 10s ... especially with my Z-28 (and on occasion with Galaxie, Ghia, Monza, Remedy and RT 66).... and have kept my Z210 cabinet stock since I first got it several years ago (2006 iirc)
If, and I must say that it would be an extremely big if, I were to change the speakers in my cabinet I would probably look at: a pair of Greenbacks or a pair of 'Blues or a pair of Jensens
In my humble opinion, depending on how you dial-in your Z-28 ... combined with guitar/pickups ..... and any effects...... you should be able to get more of those low-gain, old-school, F-style sweet spots for rock-a-billy-blues-appaloosa-rootsy-goodness-coolness
That said, as of yet, I have not had the opportunity to try any of them Weber speakers .... or the 'Golds ..... or a whole host of others ......
But, as I have stated often in the past .... the Z-28 works well with some many different speakers, guitars and effects .... and really seems to excel and accelerate when using multiple speakers (and cabs).
And, as per the above, I still roll with a Z-210 and Z-112 loaded with the stock Z 10s and stock V30 to share the sonic sensations of the Z-28.
Using a Fender STratocaster or PRS SC-245 .... and the occasional Flying Dragon and Draconis ..... and a Danelectro delay ...... the fun never stops
Cheers always, eh
Joel p.s. never mind the fun you can have with a 410 and Z-best underneath yer Z-28 .... rockin' good time!
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Post by stumbler on Jan 30, 2015 9:59:11 GMT -7
Many thanks to all for your input.
For those of you who have gone the greenback route, would you say this brings out more of a 'rootsy' sound in the Z28 or more aggressive, harder, blues rock kind of tone (or neither). I do like the headroom of the z28, which i know may sound like a contradiction to my original query. and I am aware that a pair of lower wattage greenbacks will bring on the breakup a little (possibly a lot) sooner. I am just wondering what sort of breakup it is?
I put a Celestian vintage 10 in a 1970 princeton reverb, turning what was a reliable low watt practice amp into a gig worthy, jaw dropping, tone monster. The character of the amp remained in tact, just more of it. But I wouldn't put the same speakers in the z28.
By the way, would there be a Weber speaker that's equivalent/covers similar tone territory to the Celestian greenback?
Much appreciated t'all
Stumber
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Post by "Z" Steve on Jan 30, 2015 12:17:50 GMT -7
I can't comment of the difference re Webers & Greenbacks since the Greenback is one speaker I haven't tried, but here is the link where I bought my Webers - and they/he sells Celestions as well. You can email him and get some great advice as well as his opinion(s).
speakertone.com/
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Post by stumbler on Feb 2, 2015 8:51:42 GMT -7
Thanks Steve. That 'Speakertone" looks like a great resource. I will send him an inquiry and let you know if I move fwd on anything.
Best,
Stumbler
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Post by Albert on Feb 2, 2015 19:54:08 GMT -7
C-golds are matched with mine. Two Golds you'll Thank Us later
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