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Post by clarkgriswold on Jan 9, 2015 13:40:06 GMT -7
Hey all-
Doing a session with one of my bands tomorrow and thinking of using the Mini for some of it. I have the 10" combo with the stock Ramrod still in there. Wondering if anyone has a mic/pre preference they found to work in the studio on this combo. We have a fair # of choices and wanted to see if anyone can give me head start on a chain they dig using.
Thanks, C
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Post by clarkgriswold on Jan 12, 2015 7:54:34 GMT -7
Ended up using a 57 on the cone through a Neve 1073 and it sounded glorious. Perfect breakup and it sounded massive in the mix. All at a reasonable volume.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 8:16:39 GMT -7
That's a classic combination right there. 57- 1073
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Jan 12, 2015 14:58:04 GMT -7
The Mini has some amazing tone in it! I've got the stock Ramrod speaker in mine, and I'm looking forward to trying it out with the speaker in my soon to be mine Monza. It's a Red Fang alnico, so it should be interesting to see how that combo sounds. Glad to hear the Mini works well in the studio, I suspected it would.
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Post by clarkgriswold on Jan 12, 2015 15:40:31 GMT -7
This particular session was ALL about simplicity and it surely doesn't get any simpler than the Mini. I was really pleased with how it performed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2015 19:51:02 GMT -7
Wow. 3 clicks on the BL, if I'm seeing that right. I record heavily attenuated too- the mic doesn't notice a difference!
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Post by clarkgriswold on Jan 14, 2015 10:50:10 GMT -7
Truth. The mic and pre didn't seem to care, so we knocked the volume down a bit in the room and that made everyone pretty happy. I would always prefer to use the full volume available when I can...but having the option in this case worked out beautifully.
One thing of note, we were tracking in a VERY dead room. The sound in the room sorta disappointed me, but when I heard what we had on the track it made it all good.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Jan 14, 2015 17:03:19 GMT -7
You know how the Mini (any amp really, when they're heavily attenuated) sounds a little bit dark when on click 4? I'm curious, did the amp sound choked back at all on the recording?
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Post by clarkgriswold on Jan 15, 2015 8:59:56 GMT -7
To me, it really did sound dark and flat in the room. But on the recording it sounded really good. I am going to ask our engineer to dump a stem of a track for me to post.
To my ears, it wasn't too dark once it hit the DAW.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Jan 15, 2015 9:14:45 GMT -7
Cool, it'll be interesting to hear. Do you know if the engineer eq'd the playback, or was it flat?
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Post by clarkgriswold on Jan 15, 2015 9:36:11 GMT -7
The quick mix I heard was flat eq. And that's how I will ask him to stem something out for me.
I had a telecaster right on the edge of breakup for most of the tunes and then just pushed it over into breakup with an EP Boost on a couple parts here and there. As I said, I thought the "in the room" sound was uninspiring but it seems the room was so dead that it tricked my ears? I didn't hear a huge difference between heavy attenuation and WOT when we were doing mic placement so it made sense to dial it back for the rest of the room.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 18:20:38 GMT -7
I know benttop has done a bunch of recordings with the brake lite where he tested settings, and sent them out blind. Bottom line was no one could really tell the difference between attenuation settings when recorded. Our ears play tricks on us louder always sounds "better". In reality, it's just louder. The mics don't notice a difference.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 18:22:33 GMT -7
We use attenuators about 90% of the time here at the studio. Mics don't really gain anything by being slammed.
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Post by limenine on Jan 16, 2015 22:12:47 GMT -7
I have to wonder if the perception that attenuators suck tone doesn't have a lot more to do with perception than reality. But then, what we perceive *is* our reality - ow, now my brain hurts...
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Jan 18, 2015 5:44:10 GMT -7
Agreed! Perception really is reality. At least in the moment . The human ear is amazing, and the way our brains process the information from it is equally fascinating. I always wondered why a distorted guitar sounds huge from a stereo system that is playing quietly, but when we attenuate our amps the tone seems to go to mush. How much of that is perception? I know each step of the recording / playback process has an effect on the final tone, and eq is a vital part of it. There's an old blog that goes into great detail about it here: www.amptone.com/I've read almost all of the articles there over the years, and it's got tons of information and lots of suggestions to try, from simple to complex. What I want to find out is how to get that tone without first having the guitar amp moving lots of air. A "couch amp" that sounds great at tiny levels. If a small stereo can re-create that cranked amp tone quietly, then there must be a way to CREATE that tone quietly. To me, that's the goal of this line of thought. I'm trying to figure out how much of that tone is real and how much of it is perceived. I've been pretty convinced for a while now that to get great, crunchy, ringing tone (like Bryan Adam's "Summer of '69" intro for instance) I need to be loud. So, if the Mini-Z can get to tape attenuated and sound big, maybe more of this chase needs to be focused on perception itself, and how to manipulate it. It would be really interesting to hear the playback in the same room as it was recorded in, to discover if it sounds dead and lifeless like the OP said it did when recording. Maybe putting a little delay/echo on the guitar is part of making us perceive "loudness"?
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Post by limenine on Jan 18, 2015 11:10:36 GMT -7
The best, most practical, advice I've heard yet is from Benttop: dial in with more attenuation than you need, then unclick to the appropriate volume. Turning up always makes things sound bigger and better - turning down not so much.
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Post by clarkgriswold on Feb 12, 2015 10:17:15 GMT -7
as promised...just a quick rhythm part. Flat eq. link
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Feb 12, 2015 11:20:12 GMT -7
Link doesn't seem to be working.
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