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Post by nicholas on Jan 9, 2015 6:54:21 GMT -7
I noticed a few recent conversations about the treble bleed mod. I was having my morning coffee and browsing over a stewmac catalog. I noticed a "pre wired kit" and figured I'd post it. It's a pretty simple mod with or without the "kit". But its a good place to get parts from, and might be a good kit for a first timer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 7:02:35 GMT -7
With the Resistor and the Cap the taper is more uniform as in 'less volume and the tone stays the same.
With just the Cap as the guitar cleans up it thins out a little too. This sound odd until you think about the other way. If you dial in a rhythm sound on your amp with your GV on 5 as you turn it up it gets fuller and woolier.
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Post by headshrinker (Marc) on Jan 9, 2015 14:17:58 GMT -7
Here's a link to an article on several different options. I have recently changed from the parallel type like in the Stew-Mac catalog to the Kinman one in the article. Used the other for years, but I think I'm liking the Kinman more. I use the same values in both. They are close enough that I don't hear a major difference. The kinman values are harder to find. rowbinet.co.uk/2011/10/02/guitar-rewiring-101-treble-bleed-mods/
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Post by gplayer1965 on Jan 9, 2015 14:48:34 GMT -7
The mod worked perfect for me I used the cap and resistor in parallel
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Post by Jefferson on Jan 10, 2015 20:05:57 GMT -7
I think this is definitely worth doing if you are frustrated with having the guitar get darker as you roll down the volume - especially on LP style guitars.
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Post by gplayer1965 on Jan 10, 2015 21:50:44 GMT -7
I think this is definitely worth doing if you are frustrated with having the guitar get darker as you roll down the volume - especially on LP style guitars. +1
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Post by El Gato Blackie on Jan 11, 2015 9:30:50 GMT -7
I think this is definitely worth doing if you are frustrated with having the guitar get darker as you roll down the volume - especially on LP style guitars. The mod added much more versatility to my LP. No way it's going away.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 10:03:51 GMT -7
Resistor is pretty essential to keep volume usable below 8 for me. Too much bass roll off and things get too tinny otherwise. Interestingly, took a pickup winding class with Jason Lollar and he's not a fan of treble bleed circuits. He says good pickups, wiring, and cables should eliminate the need for treble bypass. I hear his point, even with the resistor you can hear the tonal balance change as you roll off volume, but for most folks, it's probably not an issue.
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Post by Jefferson on Jan 12, 2015 11:34:11 GMT -7
Resistor is pretty essential to keep volume usable below 8 for me. Too much bass roll off and things get too tinny otherwise. Interestingly, took a pickup winding class with Jason Lollar and he's not a fan of treble bleed circuits. He says good pickups, wiring, and cables should eliminate the need for treble bypass. I hear his point, even with the resistor you can hear the tonal balance change as you roll off volume, but for most folks, it's probably not an issue. to jason lollars point, I was probably the only one who could tell that my tone was a little darker when i rolled off volume. The value in the mod probably was more in the fact that it eliminated an aggravation for me that i found distracting when i was playing. this allowed me to play free'er and i believe better. so could anyone tell other than me, probably not. but as the player of the guitar, i was pretty important in the tone chain...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 11:41:34 GMT -7
And at the end of the day, that's what matters the most!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 11:46:36 GMT -7
And i should add, i've got treble bleeds in both my guitars
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Post by thunderstruck(formerly doc001) on Jan 12, 2015 15:53:12 GMT -7
The only thing I don't like about the treble bleed circuit is the guitar got brighter as I turned down the volume. I removed the mod post haste.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 16:00:25 GMT -7
To really "get it" I have found that you have to work it like the Break Lite. Start with the volume down (5 or 6) then turn it up, as opposed to having the guitar (or the brake lite) wide open then cutting volume.
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Post by thunderstruck(formerly doc001) on Jan 12, 2015 23:01:50 GMT -7
To really "get it" I have found that you have to work it like the Break Lite. Start with the volume down (5 or 6) then turn it up, as opposed to having the guitar (or the brake lite) wide open then cutting volume. That makes sense, Eric. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 13:47:57 GMT -7
I bought out a Radio Shack's supply of .001 caps today during a "going out of business sale" 80% off! Ten 2 packs of .001's!
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Post by helmi on May 17, 2017 15:52:06 GMT -7
I've had the "treble bleed" circuits in all my guitars in the last 5 years. I cant ever see NOT having it in them. it's amazing, a mod so simple and cheap can add SO much!
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Post by Faze on May 17, 2017 16:22:16 GMT -7
I've had the "treble bleed" circuits in all my guitars in the last 5 years. I cant ever see NOT having it in them. it's amazing, a mod so simple and cheap can add SO much! Totally agree. Both my strats have them in it. Its a must have for me at this point. The clean tone when rolling back is the key. Especially when using fuzz pedals. Its just so much better all the way around with the treble bleed.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 17:20:04 GMT -7
Yeah, the combo of a beefed up straight amp sound w the GV in play for cleans gives a lot of sounds and same w the pedals, being able to really use the GV with them gives you a whole bunch more sounds.
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Post by zpilot on May 17, 2017 19:38:26 GMT -7
I'm in the camp with Jason Lollar. Over the years I've tried several versions on my guitars and installed them on other players guitars. I wasn't totally happy with any of them so I emailed Jason to get his opinion. He was noncommittal at first and said that players vary on what they hear and consequently like. I told him I was aware of that but I very much liked his pickups and respected HIS ears and wanted HIS opinion. He said he doesn't care for any treble-bleed mods because of the way they make the pickups sound at full volume. He recommends instead wiring the controls per the "'57 Les Paul wiring". All of my guitars are wired that way.
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Post by heynewguy (Ol’ Bill) on May 17, 2017 19:59:49 GMT -7
I've had the "treble bleed" circuits in all my guitars in the last 5 years. I cant ever see NOT having it in them. it's amazing, a mod so simple and cheap can add SO much! 10 years for me. Since I use the guitar volume and tone controls continually, I have to them! As always YMMV.
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Post by nigel (Rick) on May 21, 2017 12:51:27 GMT -7
The 50s wiring really did the trick for my Les Paul Classic. My 3-knob other Gibby is inherently brighter due to the master tone wiring. I have one Tele setup with 50s wiring & a 4-way switch. It's a brighter tele (Swamp ash & maple neck). I have another tele with a treble bleed & 3-way (typical) which I like for that guitar (rosewood neck and alder body). I have treble bleed on all my strats.
Nowadays... Using all guitars on same amps I can manage well by adjusting tone controls of guitars. Maybe most important was setting amp and guitar up so rhythms are good (tone wise according to me) on neck / middle pickups, then just let the bridge pickup scream. Again, using the guitar tone knob(s) to tame any excess treble. I won't even mention the most important part (besides enjoying our music experience) .... speakers. :-)
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Post by goodez on Feb 13, 2019 19:54:50 GMT -7
I just installed the treble bleed with capacitor/resister from StewMac into my Telecaster this past weekend and WOW what a difference. I’ve always kept that guitar dimed on the volume because anything less than 9.5 the tone just disappeared into the darkness. I can literally roll it back to 1-2 and it’s still there. I love it 5/5 stars.
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Post by John E. on Feb 18, 2019 20:08:27 GMT -7
I HAVE to have treble bleed circuits put in all my guitars. I exclusively use my amp for all my drive, and my amp isn't very clean even on the "clean channel" so I use my guitar volume to clean it up, but I like very crisp cleans. And since up until this point I use all Gibsons, they can get pretty dark when rolled back, so I always stick it in there. I probably will put it in my new guitar (EBMM Custlass) just to retain maximum clarity. Heard about treble bleed from Andy Timmons, he uses it in all his guitars, even the non hum bucker equipped ones.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Feb 20, 2019 9:13:26 GMT -7
I'm in the camp with Jason Lollar. Over the years I've tried several versions on my guitars and installed them on other players guitars. I wasn't totally happy with any of them so I emailed Jason to get his opinion. He was noncommittal at first and said that players vary on what they hear and consequently like. I told him I was aware of that but I very much liked his pickups and respected HIS ears and wanted HIS opinion. He said he doesn't care for any treble-bleed mods because of the way they make the pickups sound at full volume. He recommends instead wiring the controls per the "'57 Les Paul wiring". All of my guitars are wired that way. I also love Lollar pickups but his comment about a treble bleed changing the sound at full volume doesn't make sense to me. All the bleed circuits I've seen are connected across the guitar volume control pot between the input and output lugs. Since at full volume the bleed components are short circuited, I don't understand how can it affect the tone in any way.
I've tried different versions of treble bleed and right now I'm using "50's wiring" on my humbucker guitars too, and my strats have EMGs in one and DiMarzio noiseless in the other, no bleed circuit.
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Post by zpilot on Feb 20, 2019 12:31:50 GMT -7
With a bleed mod you have a cap in parallel with the pot. Even when the pot is on "10" you still have some some signal "high-passed" through the cap. The math may say that number is insignificant to my ears. Maybe it's a change in feel in response. We are not dealing with a constant AC signal. It is music with peaks and lulls. All I know is I don't like them on SOME guitars.
Also I never play with the guitars volume lower than "7". It is usually between "8 and 9" and only on "10" for lead rides. I also normally have my tone control less than full (on pickups that use a tone control) so I can both add and reduce HF to taste. Being primarily a Tele player I've learned the importance of a tone control. Back when I played a Les Paul all of the time I almost always had the tone full up.
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Post by dcarver on Feb 20, 2019 13:48:38 GMT -7
I've tried both of the 2 main types of treble bleed circuits (cap and resistor in series and parallel). To my ear, the Kinman type (cap and resistor in series) sounds the best. kinman.com/perfect-guitar.php#volumePots
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