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Post by benttop (Steve) on Mar 5, 2007 21:45:50 GMT -7
All the standard disclaimers apply - this is way too long, but I just couldn't get enough. I should have edited this down and take out a few clams, but instead you get the raw product. The setup is: Mexi-Strat > SRZ-65 > THD Hot Plate > THD 2x12 loaded with 2 Celestion Alnico Golds wired to 4 ohms. The Mexi-Strat was on the neck pup. The pups are GFS at about standard Strat output level. The differences you hear in distortion are all from picking attack. Settings: Presence: Noon Bass: Dimed Middle: Dimed Treble: Dimed Volume: Dimed Gain: 10 o'clock SRZ65/Golds001.mp3
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Post by skydog958 on Mar 5, 2007 22:00:17 GMT -7
Those clips sound great!! I would love to hear that combo with a humbucking guitar.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Mar 5, 2007 22:03:34 GMT -7
Those clips sound great!! I would love to hear that combo with a humbucking guitar. That's coming soon.
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Post by dock66 on Mar 6, 2007 5:48:18 GMT -7
Great clips! Those Golds are killers.
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Post by groovergeorge on Mar 6, 2007 5:49:26 GMT -7
Wow, talk about a touch sensitive amp. Those golds sounds great paired with the SRZ.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Mar 6, 2007 6:55:43 GMT -7
Thanks guys. Various folks keep asking how the Golds sound with the SRZ full up, but I'm here to tell you, there's no way I'm ever going to find out unless I have plastic cement bonded in my ear canals first. This combination is major loud! With the 100 db sensitivity of these speakers, it's like playing a 120 watt amp. Yikes! But I think the Golds sound pretty great without having to push them to the breaking point. So I'm not overly concerned with that.
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Post by Bill on Mar 6, 2007 11:11:23 GMT -7
This combination is major loud! With the 100 db sensitivity of these speakers, it's like playing a 120 watt amp. Yikes! Sweet!....always good stuff coming from benttop central. ;D Loud speaker? A big YES...so loud I've temporarily gone back to my Cannabis to help me get the knob back up to where the tubes are working a little harder. The Cannabis fits exactly between the Gold and the Weber alnico blue dog in terms of volume.
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Post by Joey Beverages on Mar 6, 2007 14:22:19 GMT -7
Nice work - definitely not too long a clip. I really got a good sense of the sound possibilities. Nice to hear the picking variations and results of leanin' in just a little bit. thanks for sharing ;D
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Post by Hohn on Mar 6, 2007 23:53:33 GMT -7
Steve, dare I say that I'm hearing shades of Jimi in a lot of the tones on the clip? When you play with some of his style cues it's like Jimi reborn!
Awesome.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Mar 7, 2007 6:46:21 GMT -7
Steve, dare I say that I'm hearing shades of Jimi in a lot of the tones on the clip? When you play with some of his style cues it's like Jimi reborn! Awesome. Ha! Or Jimi ripped off...
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Post by dock66 on Mar 7, 2007 8:14:46 GMT -7
Smoooooth. ;D
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Post by Hohn on Mar 7, 2007 19:02:07 GMT -7
Thanks guys. Various folks keep asking how the Golds sound with the SRZ full up, but I'm here to tell you, there's no way I'm ever going to find out unless I have plastic cement bonded in my ear canals first. This combination is major loud! With the 100 db sensitivity of these speakers, it's like playing a 120 watt amp. Yikes! But I think the Golds sound pretty great without having to push them to the breaking point. So I'm not overly concerned with that. Steve, could you elaborate on the calculations for dB and power? SRZ is nominally 50W, right? So 3db more is the equivalent of how much more power?
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Mar 7, 2007 19:34:20 GMT -7
Thanks guys. Various folks keep asking how the Golds sound with the SRZ full up, but I'm here to tell you, there's no way I'm ever going to find out unless I have plastic cement bonded in my ear canals first. This combination is major loud! With the 100 db sensitivity of these speakers, it's like playing a 120 watt amp. Yikes! But I think the Golds sound pretty great without having to push them to the breaking point. So I'm not overly concerned with that. Steve, could you elaborate on the calculations for dB and power? SRZ is nominally 50W, right? So 3db more is the equivalent of how much more power? SRZ-65 is 65 watts. If you double your power, you get 3db more volume. So when someone says "that's only 3 db" tell them that's a LOT!
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Post by rcrecelius on Mar 8, 2007 12:48:51 GMT -7
That sounds great Steve. Is the 65 that touch sensitive through other speakers or is it all the Gold doin its thang? How much were you attenuating (Im assuming a bunch)?
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Mar 8, 2007 14:54:09 GMT -7
That sounds great Steve. Is the 65 that touch sensitive through other speakers or is it all the Gold doin its thang? How much were you attenuating (Im assuming a bunch)? The touch sensitivity is all the SRZ-65. To get it there I had to keep the gain at 10 o'clock with the GFS pups. I can't get it to do that nearly so well with my humbucker equipped guitars, so I'm doing some experimenting here with some tube subs. That clip had the Hot Plate set at -12db. That's quite a lot but with that amp, if I get it much above -8db, the wife turns the TV up so loud I can't record! ;D
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Post by mward on Mar 18, 2007 11:31:05 GMT -7
I think what he was asking is how a 100db speaker is different than something else. Basically since 3db is twice as loud, a speaker that is 97db @ 1w @ 1m is going to be half as loud as a speaker that is 100db @ 1w @ 1m. Makes a BIG difference!! When he says it's like playing a 120w amp he's saying it's like a 120w srz-65 through this speaker where it'd be 65w through another because of the 3db more sensitivity.
Now, is it still as sensitive all the way across the board or as you go up in power does it roll off? I don't know.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Mar 18, 2007 13:14:24 GMT -7
Well I think you're going to have this amount of touch sensitivity with any speaker - but your volume will be less with a less efficient speaker. One of the reasons I'm experimenting with tube subs on this amp is that from about 10:00 on up you get a lot more distortion, but you also get a lot of compression. I'd like to get this exact touch sensitivity with the gain up around 1 to 3 o'clock. But this is pretty useable right where I have it set in the clip.
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Post by Hohn on Mar 18, 2007 21:06:28 GMT -7
I think what he was asking is how a 100db speaker is different than something else. Basically since 3db is twice as loud, a speaker that is 97db @ 1w @ 1m is going to be half as loud as a speaker that is 100db @ 1w @ 1m. Makes a BIG difference!! When he says it's like playing a 120w amp he's saying it's like a 120w srz-65 through this speaker where it'd be 65w through another because of the 3db more sensitivity. Now, is it still as sensitive all the way across the board or as you go up in power does it roll off? I don't know. OK, I'm clearer on this now. I was confused because 65x2=130, not 120. Anyway, I understand that 3db change is equivalent to halving or doubling power. jh
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Post by beej on Mar 19, 2007 20:59:48 GMT -7
VERY SWEET tones! Man, i guess the 65 needs to go on the list
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