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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Jan 7, 2007 3:17:51 GMT -7
Well, this is just some noodling playing around with my band at practice... we usually start up on a little jam of some sort and this was one I was playing my Strat and changing around on the pick-ups ( you can almost tell which one I was using) Into a Landgraff boost or/ Luxury Drive boost into the Stingray through a 1x12 with a weber 50 Watt alnico silver bell... thought someone might find the blues tones interesting... disregard the playing and don't tell my band I put this up... especially Sbrantley... sorry Shannon ( playing some slide and rhythm guitar on most of these) warning: not quite as sorry as my last stuff, but almost... so ignore the playing but I thought there was some cool tones since I was playing around with different pick-ups the whole time I was playing these and was using a Silver bell instead of the usual Blue/ Bluedog... FWIW... and I broke it up into 4 shorter clips to be easier to load and listen... and also edited out most of Shannons noodling so he didn't get mad at me for posting it. and I think this is what all I was doing if I remember correctly...media.putfile.com/STINGRAY-1 neck/ middle pick upmedia.putfile.com/STINGRAY-3 middle pick up and then 1/2 way through to the middle/ bridge ( shannon comes in at the end and plays some slide but you can hear the Ray for the rhythm during it which I thought was neat ) media.putfile.com/STINGRAY-4 middle/ bridge pick upthen most on the bridge ( Shannon plays a little green onions sounding melody thing at the end and I'm playing a different but similar rhythm at the end on the neck pick-up) media.putfile.com/STINGRAY-5 neck pick-up
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Post by Dr.T on Jan 7, 2007 4:39:50 GMT -7
Great increase of overdrive and sustain!
Guys,
I L O V E T H A T Z T O N E !
I downloaded many of your Z files just to hear them, expecially of R 66... What kind of disease could it be??? ;D
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Jan 7, 2007 10:05:25 GMT -7
Nice tones throughout!
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Post by JChance on Jan 8, 2007 0:16:44 GMT -7
How's that compressor working for you?
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Jan 8, 2007 0:31:27 GMT -7
How's that compressor working for you? WORKS GREAT! Thanks... I didn't have it when we recorded those little snippits though... I really like that pedal especially with the xotic BB for lower volume stuff... also with the luxury drive... But I see what you mean about leaving it on all the time... going on the board, I'll probably just leave it on and turn it off sometimes to taste... Let shannon borrow it and he loved it... been wanting to try one out for his slide stuff and it sounded nice... so now he's getting one too...
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Post by JChance on Jan 8, 2007 7:56:11 GMT -7
Yep, the key is not using too much of it so that you don't SOUND compressed. Just a little bit goes a long way. If set right, there's something very special about those pedals. They just seem to add a touch of color to the sound, especially on the attack. True story: When I was on the Gretchen tour in '04, Gaylon Mathews (pedal & lap steel) & I both got our Keeley compressors at the same time. He was using if for his lap steel rig. At that point, his lap rig was a 40's Gibson into a Gibson GA15 with the 1/2 power switch. He would plug straight in at 1/2 power and crank it. Sounded great, especially after adding a Weber alnico Silver Bell. Think David Lindley, totally.... But when he got the compressor, we were line-checking in some arena, and the FOH guy got on our talk-back and asked him "Did you do something to your lap rig? It sounds freaking amazing out here!" It was subtle, but just that little bit of color and tightness that the Keeley added was noticeable out front to a guy who really paid little attention to the gear we were using. Tone sounds great on those clips, by the way...
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Post by kruzty on Jan 8, 2007 8:17:14 GMT -7
Hey Jayson, what is not "too much?" Where do set your sustain? Mine is probably around 10 or 11 o'clock, but maybe I should try less.
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Jan 8, 2007 8:49:59 GMT -7
Hey Kruzty,
FWIW when I got Jaysons pedal both knobs were around noon… probably between 11:00-11:30 and I assume that’s where Jayson was using it set at… I liked that setting and with the volume up like that it’s really a good boost pedal too.
I left the sustain alone 11:30 and rolled the volume back to about 9:30 for a more unity gain setting with or without the pedal being on so I could switch it back and forth… but I also like it and will probably use it myself as sort of a boost pedal with the volume up more, like Jayson had it set… very nice. Didn’t mess with the internal stuff, set it and forget it… so I like the two knob version.
Kruzty, where you setting yours?
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Post by kruzty on Jan 8, 2007 9:20:06 GMT -7
I have the sustain around 10:30 and the level at noon. That seems to be about unity gain for me. It can *seem* louder, but that is because I don't pick/strum heavy that often. If I turn off the comp and strum very heavy, it is about the same. I noticed that when I had the level down a bit, I would sometimes get louder with the comp off (and that was the reason).
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Post by Bill on Jan 8, 2007 10:35:31 GMT -7
Nice 'Ray clips, Jason! I think JC has written he sets his Keeley comp knobs at 11:00. Mine tend to go between there and 12:00, depending on the amp volume
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Post by JChance on Jan 8, 2007 11:19:04 GMT -7
Yep, usually both knobs at 11:00. Keep in mind, though, that I use a volume pedal at the end of my signal path. Both knobs set like this basically make the compressor work at unity with the volume pedal all the way open. Although there have been situations where I've pushed the level up to 12:00 to hit the front end of the amp a little harder. Either way, I'd say approach the sustain knob in the same way as you think of the BASS knob on a tube amp. Turn it up until you can feel it start to work, then STOP. I can't stand squashed out guitar, and turning the bass knob up on an amp is in the same ballpark of "no-no's" to me...
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Post by dock66 on Jan 8, 2007 12:46:06 GMT -7
I would say that is very NICE,Jason. ;D
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Post by Don on Jan 8, 2007 13:09:12 GMT -7
Yep, usually both knobs at 11:00. Keep in mind, though, that I use a volume pedal at the end of my signal path. Both knobs set like this basically make the compressor work at unity with the volume pedal all the way open. Although there have been situations where I've pushed the level up to 12:00 to hit the front end of the amp a little harder. Either way, I'd say approach the sustain knob in the same way as you think of the BASS knob on a tube amp. Turn it up until you can feel it start to work, then STOP. I can't stand squashed out guitar, and turning the bass knob up on an amp is in the same ballpark of "no-no's" to me... Hey Jason, I had Robert build a compressor for me also. I'm finding that from 11 o'clock to about 12:30 MAX, you can find the sweet spot. So, you're using a volume pedal at the END of your chain. Hmmm. How many pedals are hitting the volume pedal?
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Post by JChance on Jan 8, 2007 14:09:43 GMT -7
[/quote]So, you're using a volume pedal at the END of your chain. Hmmm. How many pedals are hitting the volume pedal?[/quote]
All of them. Volume pedal is last in the chain. The reason I've always done it this way is because I don't want the gain of any of my pedals affected. Meaning, if you put the volume first, it seriously affects how the other pedals react to your volume changes. With it last, all of the pedals are full on and I'm simply affecting overall level/input to the amp. So I can pull back my volume on softer sections of a song and still get essentially the same tones. Does that make sense?
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Jan 8, 2007 14:15:51 GMT -7
Jayson, just curious, what volume pedal do you use?
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Post by kruzty on Jan 8, 2007 14:18:53 GMT -7
I like my volume after comps, distortion, boosts, etc. before my delay. That way, if I'm doing swells the delay continues and fades.
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Post by JChance on Jan 8, 2007 14:35:07 GMT -7
Ernie Ball. Either a Jr or a standard. Both mono. Never found a good use for the fancy "panning" stereo volumes. On the rare occasion I use two amps, I just flip-flop the order of my chorus (usually next to last) and volume (last.) That way I have two outputs from the Choroalflange to go to the two amps. Then I just turn the chorus effect up about one click to comensate for the loss of effect when the volume pedal is pulled back.
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Post by guitarstan on Jan 8, 2007 19:29:50 GMT -7
Max tone Jason you are the guru of tone my Man!
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Post by Hohn on Jan 11, 2007 23:26:50 GMT -7
Why can't I get these files to work? Mac browser, pehaps?
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