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Post by Papa Juan (lanier816) on Dec 1, 2014 9:22:36 GMT -7
I'm looking to get a second Z to use solely for drive. I'd like to use a Radial Headbone and have my Maz as the clean channel and another Z (possibly the 28) as my dirty channel. I haven't had the chance to demo the Z28 but demos show that it has a really smooth sounding drive, is this true? If you've tried this or do this as your set up, does this amp service well in that area and if not what should you suggest? Let me' fly boys!
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Post by southmusic70 on Dec 1, 2014 10:45:35 GMT -7
Drive?
Monza may be the answer for you.
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Post by Christopher on Dec 1, 2014 11:16:41 GMT -7
IMHO you need an inefficient speaker (greenback or jensen) to get the '28 loud enough to be your drive only amp. With other speakers it's very loud. Sounds awesome but it's huge volume wise. You can do it w a 12h30 but your ears may not like you afterwards. the Monza will get you to gain territory fast and the MV makes it very useful.
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Post by limenine on Dec 1, 2014 11:29:15 GMT -7
I think that you have multiple choices depending on the flavor of overdrive you want. Monza is a shoe in for drive, but a Z-28 on 3-3-3 is a beautuful thing. Don't overlook a cranked Ghia, or even another MAZ set dirty to compliment the other set clean. I'm assuming you are using a MAZ 18, but if it's a 38 you can look at the SRZ, Galaxie, Rt66... It's enought to make a guy's head swim...
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Post by Ridgeback on Dec 1, 2014 15:05:08 GMT -7
The Z-28 is my favorite Z but I think you would be better served with a different (el-84 based with MV) model for a drive amp.
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Post by Papa Juan (lanier816) on Dec 1, 2014 15:13:38 GMT -7
I think that you have multiple choices depending on the flavor of overdrive you want. Monza is a shoe in for drive, but a Z-28 on 3-3-3 is a beautuful thing. Don't overlook a cranked Ghia, or even another MAZ set dirty to compliment the other set clean. I'm assuming you are using a MAZ 18, but if it's a 38 you can look at the SRZ, Galaxie, Rt66... It's enought to make a guy's head swim... I am running an 18, I did think about running another 18 but I also like the idea of having a completely different amp if I want to switch up my clean tone. The 3-3-3 tone is what drew me to the amp, it sounds so smooth. I was thinking about using a Brake Lite for church and matching volumes at home for volume control. Someone had suggested the Monza which has an insane amount of gain on tap...I feel like I need them all, hahaha!!
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Post by Papa Juan (lanier816) on Dec 1, 2014 15:15:49 GMT -7
The Z-28 is my favorite Z but I think you would be better served with a different (el-84 based with MV) model for a drive amp. Suggestions? Even non Z suggestions? I have an Orange Tiny Terror that's fun to play but it has zero low end, so going from the Maz to the TT feels like the bottom has fallen out.
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Post by Christopher on Dec 1, 2014 15:53:09 GMT -7
The '28 is a great tonal foil to the Maz 18 it's just gonna fill up a different space b/c it's more muscular than the 84s to my ears. Give it a whirl and report back if you have both amps and can try it.
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Post by bigben55 on Dec 1, 2014 15:59:01 GMT -7
If I could get away with 3-3-3 everywhere I'd ever play, I would have my telecaster, a cord and my Z as my entire rig and guitar volume knob it between clean and crunch.
But I cant. But if you can, by all means. I'll eventually throw Greenbacks in it and see what happens, maybe get a Brake Lite and see what happens, but for now I'm using pedals.
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Post by limenine on Dec 1, 2014 16:07:01 GMT -7
It really depends on what you want to hear when you hit the switch. That's why there are twenty seven gazillion (give or take) overdrive pedals out there - everyone has a different opinion on what sounds best. There are plenty of people who think a Ghia is too overdriven for their taste, and others who wish their Monza had more.
If the Z28 overdrive is what floats your boat, I suspect you could get the volume under control with a brake lite - though a MV amp might make life easier. The Remedy and Therapy are two more flavors to consider in the MV camp as well.
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Post by simpleton on Dec 1, 2014 17:11:13 GMT -7
I bought the Monza to use as my 'drive' amp paired with my Ghia and a Headbone. I think what has wound up happening is that I am running a stereo rig and using my guitar volume/pickups (les paul p90) to go from cleaner to meaner then roll up the volume to go to " HEY F&%K YOU EARS ". You may not need THAT much gain though. I thought it would be oh so simple to just A/B the heads and be pleased as punch but what I found was that each amp had it's own sonic spectrum and that A/B ing them wasn't quite the same as having one head and an overdrive. Because with the overdrive it's building off of the same circuitry but with another head you've got a whole new tonal arena to play with. So what wound up happening is I've reinvented what I sound like to play with all of the amazing variety between the two amps.
It's becoming a really creative platform the more familiar I become with weaving the amps together.
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Post by nmz on Dec 1, 2014 20:50:12 GMT -7
I personally would not buy the 28' as a "drive" amp. I love the 28' and will pick another up down the road, gret, great amp! But I am thinking a Therapy would fit that spot or SRZ.
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Post by Papa Juan (lanier816) on Dec 2, 2014 8:27:20 GMT -7
I bought the Monza to use as my 'drive' amp paired with my Ghia and a Headbone. I think what has wound up happening is that I am running a stereo rig and using my guitar volume/pickups (les paul p90) to go from cleaner to meaner then roll up the volume to go to " HEY F&%K YOU EARS ". You may not need THAT much gain though. I thought it would be oh so simple to just A/B the heads and be pleased as punch but what I found was that each amp had it's own sonic spectrum and that A/B ing them wasn't quite the same as having one head and an overdrive. Because with the overdrive it's building off of the same circuitry but with another head you've got a whole new tonal arena to play with. So what wound up happening is I've reinvented what I sound like to play with all of the amazing variety between the two amps. It's becoming a really creative platform the more familiar I become with weaving the amps together. Hahahaha!!! I say that to my ears a lot! Nice perspective, I didn't think of that. I love LPs w/ P90s, especially a gold top.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Dec 2, 2014 8:37:49 GMT -7
THERAPY.......... That is all.
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Post by gplayer1965 on Dec 5, 2014 11:05:24 GMT -7
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Post by Papa Juan (lanier816) on Dec 6, 2014 8:24:59 GMT -7
Now THATS some good drive! Is your volume controllable or is that demo really loud?
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Post by gplayer1965 on Dec 6, 2014 11:09:02 GMT -7
I think he reported his MV was at 3 O'clock and his V was at MAX so yes...killer sound, loud. I have done the same as him but with a brake light. Brake light helps much and even gives "in between" tone experimentation
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Post by gplayer1965 on Dec 6, 2014 11:12:20 GMT -7
That demo was produced and demoed by our brother Traumatized (Eric). PM him for details. By the way, this is a Z 28 thread and I want to mention the 3-3-3 setting on the Z 28 it's to die for
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Dec 6, 2014 16:40:41 GMT -7
That demo was produced and demoed by our brother Traumatized (Eric). PM him for details. By the way, this is a Z 28 thread and I want to mention the 3-3-3 setting on the Z 28 it's to die for Good point! I am still very much a Z28 player, and love it! The 3-3-3 setting is something special indeed!! (but as you said you wanted a Gain amp to go with your Maz, I don't think a Z28 is the right choice to be honest - even at 3-3-3 it's not that gainy ......... whereas the Therapy most certainly is, and has a similar flavour to the Z28. It's like the Z28's big brother, but with more gain)
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Post by gplayer1965 on Dec 6, 2014 16:41:51 GMT -7
Amen
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Post by Papa Juan (lanier816) on Dec 7, 2014 6:15:33 GMT -7
Great info guys, the Therapy sounds super smooth too. It lives up to its name for sure.
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Post by eliot1025 on Dec 21, 2014 4:58:34 GMT -7
The Z28 has a very good gain sound and is in the Marshall camp in terms of drive tone. It's not super gainy - more like medium gain. It your original post you mentioned a smooth drive. It's hard to know what you mean by that but to me the Z with a very smooth drive is the Route 66. It's less raw than a Marshall/Therapy/Z28 type of sound. But know up front that the Route 66 is much darker than the other Z amps I've heard. Darker than most amps in general. Tonewise and drivewise it's unique. I enjoyed it cranked but ultimately it wasn't right for me so I replaced it. It might have the smooth drive you're looking for, though.
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Post by Papa Juan (lanier816) on Dec 21, 2014 6:26:16 GMT -7
The Z28 has a very good gain sound and is in the Marshall camp in terms of drive tone. It's not super gainy - more like medium gain. It your original post you mentioned a smooth drive. It's hard to know what you mean by that but to me the Z with a very smooth drive is the Route 66. It's less raw than a Marshall/Therapy/Z28 type of sound. But know up front that the Route 66 is much darker than the other Z amps I've heard. Darker than most amps in general. Tonewise and drivewise it's unique. I enjoyed it cranked but ultimately it wasn't right for me so I replaced it. It might have the smooth drive you're looking for, though. I'll have to check out the 66. It's hard to describe "smooth" but I guess what I'm looking for is thick, warm and creamy without being muddy, something full enough to sound right on the bridge position but not fart on the neck, you know? Tall order I guess, haha!! I actually played through a cranked AC15 and about got what I wanted. The only deal with that is I want another's head so it's more compact and only requires one mic.
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Post by pcns on Dec 21, 2014 7:30:23 GMT -7
I used to run a/b with a Z28 and a Monza. What I ended up doing was when I wanted more gain I would turn on both amps instead of switching on one over the other. Seemed to give more continuity to the sound.
I like the Therapy suggestion alot. That is my go to amp. I use it @ home, @ church and jamming with my buddies. It has great touch sensitivity (think Zwreck) superb smooth over drive like the Z28 and some really thick awesome cleans. All controlled by the master volume and your guitar volume. Very versitile and does very will with most pedals too.
My 2 cents Todd
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Post by gplayer1965 on Dec 21, 2014 11:26:23 GMT -7
I used to run a/b with a Z28 and a Monza. What I ended up doing was when I wanted more gain I would turn on both amps instead of switching on one over the other. Seemed to give more continuity to the sound. I like the Therapy suggestion alot. That is my go to amp. I use it @ home, @ church and jamming with my buddies. It has great touch sensitivity (think Zwreck) superb smooth over drive like the Z28 and some really thick awesome cleans. All controlled by the master volume and your guitar volume. Very versitile and does very will with most pedals too. My 2 cents Todd Todd said it best. The therapy will do all that. You can't go wrong with a z28 but the "T" will deliver as well I have a z28 for sale but man, if I could I would remove from the sale forum but finances dictate otherwise
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