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Post by schultz on Sept 30, 2014 15:17:52 GMT -7
I need to know the truth...I love my Z28 but I typically use a clean boost in front to get back some of the highs. How does the Therapy compare tone wise with the Z28? Will I still need to goose it with a boost to get the same sound I'm chasing? How does the Therapy sound at gig levels and also practice levels? I also have an M12 and a KT45 which cover the cleans nicely but I was hoping the Therapy would eliminate the need for the Z28 and the M12..whaddya think?
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Post by markT on Sept 30, 2014 15:26:40 GMT -7
No.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Sept 30, 2014 15:33:22 GMT -7
Okay, I'll take this one, before MarkT jumps in........
History: I've had 6 different Z amps, and my absolute desert island amp was the Z28. I love that amp - still do. A piece of pure joy to play, and much underrated in the Z stable IMHO. So when the Therapy came out, I traded my Remedy for the Therapy, and kept the Z28........
However, I discovered something quite quickly.......... I can get just about everything the Z28 can do out of the Therapy, and then some! The Therapy has the biggest, ballsiest cleans you've ever heard (from a 6L6 / 6V6 amp anyway.......), and trust me, you will not need to goose anything to get what you're looking for. There is way more gain available in the Therapy than the Z28. I always hit the front of my Z28 with something (Xotic EP, SL, BB) to get the extra drive / gain / dirt when needed, but I don't use any of them now with the Therapy! The Therapy can shimmer and even chime in ways I found hard with the Z28 - I ended up finding a bright speaker to get there. The Therapy doesn't have that issue at all - the Tone controls are very dynamic.
The MV is a gem too. I had my Z28 modified to add an MV (power scaling MV) which works great as I just got fed up with the limitation of an attenuator. The Therapy doesn't have that limitation - I can play at home quite happily with the MV right down at 8 o'clock, no problem, yet at 35W, I have yet to get the MV above noon at a gig, and believe me, I'm heard okay!! I would say the KT45 would be ultimately louder, but the M12 quieter, so I'm guessing he Therapy will be plenty for you.
Given the choices you have, I would, sadly, agree that the Therapy would be an ideal replacement for your Z28 - but it would actually probably be able to replace ALL of them!
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Sept 30, 2014 15:34:06 GMT -7
Dang! You STILL got in before me!
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Post by schultz on Sept 30, 2014 15:45:11 GMT -7
Thanks markT
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Post by schultz on Sept 30, 2014 15:49:01 GMT -7
Well that is saying something Pete..I love the KT-45 for surf and cleans. I have both the M12 and Z28 up for sale now. To my ears the M12 was like a mini KT-45 which I really like.
Thanks again for the input.
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Post by Traumatized (Eric) on Sept 30, 2014 16:32:39 GMT -7
Not sure what sound you're inevitably going for, but I did the demo, pretty much of the two extremes at bedroom and full level in the Demonstration Part Deux thread. Not sure if you saw it or not. All of the video snippets were of the amp totally dry (room volume for the bedroom volume and miced for the cranked ones), so basically it gets those tones and everything in between, only compounded by the guitars that you'll run through it as well.
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Post by nmz on Sept 30, 2014 17:13:21 GMT -7
Do not fool yourself though the Z28 and Therapy are differnt animals. I do kind of like the clean a little better out of the Z28. Something about non master amps just delivers the girth. Z28 does take pedals better IMO and I do not use it (Z28) with with my brakelite. Not that the Therapy is bad with pedals by any means (better than the Remedy) but the Z28 is hard to beat in that catagory. The Therapy can get quacky more than the Z28 (you may dig that?) but gives up the goods much better and the master is the best I have ever come across.
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Post by schultz on Sept 30, 2014 17:42:05 GMT -7
Quaky?
Maybe I should keep the Z28 and the M12
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Post by schultz on Sept 30, 2014 17:42:50 GMT -7
I have never used the Brakelite.
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Post by nmz on Sept 30, 2014 17:51:35 GMT -7
Quaky? Maybe I should keep the Z28 and the M12 It can be dialed out and might be the stuff I am using but that is something I have noticed. What I did is kept the Z28 just incase (I love the amp too). But I am thinking about moving mine as well because between the Therapy and Remedy I am kind of satisfied. I also want to try out some other stuff.
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Sept 30, 2014 18:04:42 GMT -7
I miss every amp I sell!!
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Post by Traumatized (Eric) on Sept 30, 2014 18:08:20 GMT -7
^LMAO...I feel your pain. Hence why most stay.
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Post by Maddog on Sept 30, 2014 18:25:45 GMT -7
^^^^ Looks like a new contender ("in the make") for biggest Z collection.....
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Post by Traumatized (Eric) on Sept 30, 2014 18:32:31 GMT -7
^^^^ Looks like a new contender ("in the make") for biggest Z collection..... Negative, hahaha...I only have so much room before getting served with divorce papers, LOL.
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Post by Maddog on Sept 30, 2014 18:48:07 GMT -7
I hear ya, Eric. My wife says the next amp that arrives with road worn 50's ragged tweed falling off of it will accompany me in Ole Bud's "dog haus!"
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Post by Traumatized (Eric) on Sept 30, 2014 19:02:05 GMT -7
I hear ya, Eric. My wife says the next amp that arrives with road worn 50's ragged tweed falling off of it will accompany me in Ole Bud's "dog haus!" I have a couple more on my hit list, which are generally rare, so I think I'm safe for a bit
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Post by djcakadave on Sept 30, 2014 19:19:54 GMT -7
I hear ya, Eric. My wife says the next amp that arrives with road worn 50's ragged tweed falling off of it will accompany me in Ole Bud's "dog haus!" Thats one of the reasons I love my dog he doesn't care how many amps or guitars I own
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Post by 22watts on Sept 30, 2014 21:32:27 GMT -7
I love my Therapy. I own several amps, as do most people on this forum. I can honestly say that the Therapy would be the only amp I would ever need for over 95% of my gigs. I do a single act where I use a Fly Rig 5 plugged straight into my Bose L1 model II. With the band I'll be using the Therapy exclusively. Probably the best overall amp I've owned in 50 years of playing. I also own a Dr.Z EZG50; Z28, M12, and now the Therapy. Other amps that I own are a Swart 6v6se; Matchless Clubman. Kendrick Gig Rig, Allen Chihuahua, 71 Silverface Champ. In the past I've probably owned a 100 or more amps. My point being, if I could only have one amp, it would be the Therapy.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Oct 1, 2014 0:06:46 GMT -7
Quaky? Maybe I should keep the Z28 and the M12 Not sure what "quaky" means, but the Therapy has a clear upper mid (very musical) quality, and the Z28 a lower mid push. Yes, I would agree that if you're a pedal enthusiast, the Z28 (with that EF86) takes pedals a bit better..... but reading your OP, you ask if you can get that "push" from the Therapy without the need for a clean boost, and the answer is YES! If I had my way, I'd have kept every single Z amp I've ever owned, but I'm not that flush with cash, sadly........ Best way to put it today, if I just HAD to sell one of my two remaining Z amps, it would be bye-bye Z28 for sure, but ONLY in favour of the Therapy! Thankfully, I get to keep both for the time being (but there are days when I wonder if I should have kept the Remedy instead of the Z28........ hmm.) All I know is, the Therapy is the BEST amp I have ever played, Z amp or not - and I am beginning to think the most versatile too.........
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Post by nmz on Oct 1, 2014 2:25:19 GMT -7
Quaky? Maybe I should keep the Z28 and the M12 Not sure what "quaky" means, but the Therapy has a clear upper mid (very musical) quality, and the Z28 a lower mid push. Yes, I would agree that if you're a pedal enthusiast, the Z28 (with that EF86) takes pedals a bit better..... but reading your OP, you ask if you can get that "push" from the Therapy without the need for a clean boost, and the answer is YES! If I had my way, I'd have kept every single Z amp I've ever owned, but I'm not that flush with cash, sadly........ Best way to put it today, if I just HAD to sell one of my two remaining Z amps, it would be bye-bye Z28 for sure, but ONLY in favour of the Therapy! Thankfully, I get to keep both for the time being (but there are days when I wonder if I should have kept the Remedy instead of the Z28........ hmm.) All I know is, the Therapy is the BEST amp I have ever played, Z amp or not - and I am beginning to think the most versatile too......... I think he was referring to "quacky".
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Post by Joey Beverages on Oct 1, 2014 3:58:14 GMT -7
Keep yer Z-28, put together the funds for the Therapy and start plannin' on the next piece of the collection ..... you can thank me later cheers always, Joel
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Post by markT on Oct 1, 2014 4:06:53 GMT -7
Keep yer Z-28, put together the funds for the Therapy and start plannin' on the next piece of the collection ..... you can thank me later cheers always, Joel .....Joel hasn't played a Therapy.....
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Post by schultz on Oct 1, 2014 6:27:38 GMT -7
Order placed! Thanks guys, you are leading me down the path to total ruin...(lol)
My Z28 and M12 now are up in Reverb.com and the Z-Talk Classifieds.
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Post by pcns on Oct 1, 2014 7:17:02 GMT -7
You'll like the Therapy but the Doc does a great job with all of his amps having something special about them. The Z28 is awesome and I miss the ones I have had but I don't miss them as much since my Therapy arrived. Congrats on placing the order Todd
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Post by Joey Beverages on Oct 1, 2014 7:53:24 GMT -7
Keep yer Z-28, put together the funds for the Therapy and start plannin' on the next piece of the collection ..... you can thank me later cheers always, Joel .....Joel hasn't played a Therapy..... .... true ... but after all the gear-drama I've had in the past I don't see me voluntarily moving the Z-28 even after the Therapy and Antidote are added to the collection
cheers always,
Joel
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Post by doctorice on Oct 10, 2014 14:55:55 GMT -7
Order placed! Thanks guys, you are leading me down the path to total ruin...(lol) My Z28 and M12 now are up in Reverb.com and the Z-Talk Classifieds. I love my Z-28, but the Therapy is extraordinary. If I had to choose, I'd do the same as you. I think it sounds fantastic with pedals. Sometimes, you need to bring the guitar volume down rather than up when firing a hot pedal in to the amp. Pete knows!
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Oct 11, 2014 1:44:43 GMT -7
Order placed! Thanks guys, you are leading me down the path to total ruin...(lol) My Z28 and M12 now are up in Reverb.com and the Z-Talk Classifieds. I love my Z-28, but the Therapy is extraordinary. If I had to choose, I'd do the same as you. I think it sounds fantastic with pedals. Sometimes, you need to bring the guitar volume down rather than up when firing a hot pedal in to the amp. Pete knows! Yep.... trust this advice......... you can thank us later!
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Post by schultz on Oct 11, 2014 7:52:02 GMT -7
The Z28 is a really fine amp and if it never sells I won't be heartbroken at all. I like the idea of keeping a combo. The difference between the two is that the Therapy has a bit more of a "spatial" thing going on and can be bright or darker depending on the Volume - Master and tone settings. The Z28 is a bit darker and has more mids and lots of girth to it...if that makes sense, not a bad thing at all imho.
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Post by doctorice on Oct 11, 2014 7:56:46 GMT -7
^^^
That's a good, succinct summary of the difference.
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