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Post by mickey on Sept 19, 2014 1:34:39 GMT -7
The Pedaltrain website describes the Mini as 20" long. If it's even a tiny bit shorter then my pedals won't fit, so can anyone here please measure their own Mini and confirm that for me before I go ahead and order one? Thanks!
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Post by zed on Sept 19, 2014 4:35:24 GMT -7
What pedals are you trying to get on there? I just put one together for a band mate with a TU-3, Mooer Yellow comp., Hardwire O/D, MXR mini chorus and an MXR Smart Gate. I also put a VLs ISO5 on top and there's some wiggle room yet. Have you checked the pedal board planner? pedalboardplanner.com/
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Post by Christopher on Sept 19, 2014 4:44:50 GMT -7
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Post by mickey on Sept 19, 2014 4:45:22 GMT -7
What pedals are you trying to get on there? I just put one together for a band mate with a TU-3, Mooer Yellow comp., Hardwire O/D, MXR mini chorus and an MXR Smart Gate. I also put a VLs ISO5 on top and there's some wiggle room yet. Have you checked the pedal board planner? pedalboardplanner.com/Yep, checked that site, but it's so tight it's still not clear how much room there is for the jacks in between the pedals. My pedals are Sonic Research tuner, KOT v4, OCD, KTR, Deep Blue Delay. I'd probably mount a Cioks Adam power supply underneath, as apparently it will fit. I just need to know if the Mini is definitely 20" long, not, say, 11 3/4"!
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Post by Traumatized (Eric) on Sept 19, 2014 5:38:12 GMT -7
Just be careful, because most power supplies won't fit underneath without having to raise or modify the board. I tried a few out and while the thing itself may fit, the wires and plug access were an issue.
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Post by zed on Sept 19, 2014 6:05:56 GMT -7
Yes, the power supply was an issue, that's why I just ended up putting one on top.
It looks like the pedals themselves will fit on top, especially with the top jacks on the KOT and the KTR, the power input is on the side of the KTR though.
I used Hosa pre-made 6" cables with pancake ends.
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Post by mickey on Sept 19, 2014 6:18:38 GMT -7
Thanks guys...The Cioks website shows how their Adam power supply can be fitted underneath the PT Mini. I think you're right, zed, the pedals themselves will fit, but I recently bought a set of patch cables with Neutrik right angled jacks, which are more bulky than pancakes. I'd prefer to use these as they are good quality cables and also I don't want to have to buy any more. Good point about the power input on the KTR, I hadn't thought of that.
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Post by zed on Sept 19, 2014 6:23:32 GMT -7
If the KTR is set beside a side jack pedal, it should be fine. You'll need the room for the patch cable anyway.
Show us a pic once it's together please. 8)
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Post by freddieg on Sept 19, 2014 6:30:42 GMT -7
On my Pedaltrain Mini, I can put on 3 pedals "comfortably" using monster cables. And with pedal connections on the sides of the pedals. I can squeeze on 4 if i have to, maybe hanging the pedals on the ends over the edge just a little bit.
However, i really like it. For jam sessions or band practice i just use a tuner and 2 boost pedals. It is easy, grab and go..
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Sept 19, 2014 6:37:26 GMT -7
Just FYI, y'all, you can fit a really good power supply on the PT Mini--the TRex Fuel Tank Jr. (the red one) will fit standing up on its side in that awkward & otherwise useless "channel" along the top of the PT Mini. I've done it with mine... This is not my picture (I Google'd it and copied the link) but nevertheless you can see a good example here.
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Post by zed on Sept 19, 2014 6:40:45 GMT -7
Do you use the case with the power supply like that? How does it fit?
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Post by mickey on Sept 19, 2014 9:17:52 GMT -7
Christopher, you are a star! Thanks for taking the time to do this, it's exactly what I needed to know Zed, I will indeed post a pic when it's done; I just need to double check the available power supplies first. (I've just checked my KTR, and the power input is actually on the top edge with the in/out jacks, so no issue there). Useful info about the Fuel tank Jr., though I may still go for the Cioks, as apparently it really does fit underneath: cioks.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=73&Itemid=88
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Post by doctorice on Sept 19, 2014 9:43:27 GMT -7
Mickey, I have 6 pedals on my mini. Wired with PCNS Patriot interconnects. I use a 1Spot, which works fine for this pedal array. I can get away with six because the SL is quite small. Not the most beautiful wiring, but I've never had an issue. It's also really easy to change out pedals.
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Post by mickey on Sept 19, 2014 10:25:31 GMT -7
Mickey, I have 6 pedals on my mini. Wired with PCNS Patriot interconnects. I use a 1Spot, which works fine for this pedal array. I can get away with six because the SL is quite small. Not the most beautiful wiring, but I've never had an issue. It's also really easy to change out pedals. Great, how do you find the 1-spot? Is it noisy at all?
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Sept 19, 2014 10:55:58 GMT -7
Do you use the case with the power supply like that? How does it fit? It fits just fine. The key is that the power cables coming out the top of the FT Jr. are 90-degree connectors, and they lay flat (sideways) coming out of the power supply. If I think of it, I'll try to get a pic of it this weekend & post here...
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Post by doctorice on Sept 19, 2014 14:14:59 GMT -7
Mickey, I have 6 pedals on my mini. Wired with PCNS Patriot interconnects. I use a 1Spot, which works fine for this pedal array. I can get away with six because the SL is quite small. Not the most beautiful wiring, but I've never had an issue. It's also really easy to change out pedals. Great, how do you find the 1-spot? Is it noisy at all? I haven't had any issues with it. Have used it regularly for many years. However, I know some Strymon pedals, among others, don't play well with the 1Spot. I think that's because they draw quite a bit of current. At most, I'll have three pedals on at once: delay, and two ODs, one acting as a boost.
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Post by mickey on Sept 19, 2014 14:33:24 GMT -7
I might consider the 1-Spot then, for my purposes it would probably be fine. I don't know how much current the KTR draws, but I wouldn't have thought it would be more than, say, 40mA. My others probably draw around 90 - 100 mA together. Should be OK. I know the Srymon Timeline draws 300mA on its own.
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Post by doctorice on Sept 19, 2014 14:36:53 GMT -7
^^^
You probably can score a used one on eBay or reverb.com.
Another possibility is one of those rechargeable battery packs. There was some conversation about them a while back. I think Bill (heynewguy) and Eric (roscoenyc) had tried them. Pedaltrain's Volto is an example.
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Post by mickey on Sept 19, 2014 15:04:50 GMT -7
^^^ You probably can score a used one on eBay or reverb.com. Another possibility is one of those rechargeable battery packs. There was some conversation about them a while back. I think Bill (heynewguy) and Eric (roscoenyc) had tried them. Pedaltrain's Volto is an example. Yes I've considered the Volto, but been put off by some poor reviews, mainly to do with not getting enough time out of each charge, and also the unit dying for no reason. I think there's a bit more R&D to be done there!
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Post by doctorice on Sept 19, 2014 16:55:48 GMT -7
^^^
Interesting.
Think I'll stick with the 1Spot. I have a PedalPower2+ in reserve if needed someday.
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Post by j4gitr (John) on Sept 19, 2014 17:58:19 GMT -7
I picked up a Volto recently. I've only had it about 4weeks. I use it on a board that goes with me on Sunday for an hour service. It's only received its initial charge. Still showing full power a tuner a boss delay that stays on constantly. I'm probably not a good gauge for comparing current demand, but I love its convenience.
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Post by mickey on Sept 20, 2014 1:23:31 GMT -7
I picked up a Volto recently. I've only had it about 4weeks. I use it on a board that goes with me on Sunday for an hour service. It's only received its initial charge. Still showing full power a tuner a boss delay that stays on constantly. I'm probably not a good gauge for comparing current demand, but I love its convenience. Yes it's a really good concept, but those reviews don't give me confidence, though maybe it's just the early production Voltos which had problems.
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Post by simpleton on Sept 20, 2014 1:31:25 GMT -7
For what it's worth Mickey my dad and his fellow guitarist has been touring the world with a volto and they love 'em. They typically play no longer than 1 1/2 hour set and so if you are playing a 3-4 hour gig I wouldn't have any info, but he loves it.
have fun
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Post by heynewguy (Ol’ Bill) on Sept 20, 2014 3:59:40 GMT -7
+1 for the Volto! Lately not the typical 4 hour gigs, but at 5 hour rehearsals it's been fine. I'm only using 3 pedals which I'm sure helps out a bit. Always make sure you have a full charge before you use it. If it discharges, you can always plug it in to finish the gig. Fits under the mini nicely.
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Post by mickey on Sept 20, 2014 4:20:45 GMT -7
Thanks Simpleton and Bill, that's very interesting, maybe the issues were just initial ones. I definitely like the idea, and the fact that you can plug it in if there are problems is reassuring. I think it'll be that or the Cioks Adam which is also getting great reports, though that has to be plugged in all the time. That's OK though, as I don't have to remember to charge it up. Most of my gigs are two sets, totalling about 2 hours, so the Volto should be OK there.
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Post by zed on Sept 20, 2014 11:32:14 GMT -7
I wasn't aware that the Volto could be plugged in, if necessary. I avoided that power supply when building that Mini, I just didn't know.
Digital pedals don't daisy-chain well, not just for the voltage draw, but they can cause extra unnecessary noise.
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Post by heynewguy (Ol’ Bill) on Sept 20, 2014 15:44:37 GMT -7
I wasn't aware that the Volto could be plugged in, if necessary. I avoided that power supply when building that Mini, I just didn't know. Digital pedals don't daisy-chain well, not just for the voltage draw, but they can cause extra unnecessary noise. You can even plug it into the cigarette lighter in your car on the way to the gig!
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Post by LT on Sept 20, 2014 15:59:57 GMT -7
I also get 6 pedals on a PT Mini, but most of them are "standard" or mini in size. I power this with the 1-Spot as well. No issues so far.
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Post by Keith on Sept 21, 2014 2:44:16 GMT -7
My grab' n' go Mini powered by 1-Spot no problems so far...
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Post by JebusCrebus on Sept 22, 2014 4:46:26 GMT -7
Hey Keith, How do you like that JOYO Delay? I have been looking for a new delay for a small board and this has crossed my radar a few times but no one local carries them.
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