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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 5:51:48 GMT -7
Jacques is right...he hates TS pedals too!
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Post by jesslm02 on Nov 6, 2014 6:12:06 GMT -7
Just released today. I placed my order through PGS. I like what I've heard so far and I'm anxious to hear Brian's take on the venerable TS. www.wamplerpedals.com/#clarksdaleSent from my Galaxy S4 using Proboards If you have heard the Paisley Drive......you have already heard his take on the TS.... No, not really. He never said the PD was a TS copy, because it's not. Maybe a slight nod to a TS but different circuit design altogether, and different OD character as well. It is a mid heavy pedal (the PD), but there's more to it than that. I have the PD and the Clarksdale. They are different enough that I have both on my board. The TMB controls on the Clarksdale make it more versatile than any other TS or copy out there. Personally, I love what a TS does - I don't get the whole transparent OD fad that seems to be going on. I want my OD to cut through a mix and nothing does that better than a TS. Pro players play them for a reason. They work.
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Post by Jacques Belanger on Nov 6, 2014 6:47:09 GMT -7
If you have heard the Paisley Drive......you have already heard his take on the TS.... No, not really. He never said the PD was a TS copy, because it's not. Maybe a slight nod to a TS but different circuit design altogether, and different OD character as well. It is a mid heavy pedal (the PD), but there's more to it than that. I have the PD and the Clarksdale. They are different enough that I have both on my board. The TMB controls on the Clarksdale make it more versatile than any other TS or copy out there. Personally, I love what a TS does - I don't get the whole transparent OD fad that seems to be going on. I want my OD to cut through a mix and nothing does that better than a TS. Pro players play them for a reason. They work. actually, I've talked to Brian Wampler myself....and yes... it IS a TS copy. If you don't believe me....I can prove it to you... www.freestompboxes.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=12758&hilit=paisley+drive(indyguitarist IS Brian Wampler).....he admits it's just a Tweaked 808.... Sorry to break it to you.... but it's the truth whether you want to believe it or not. The 2 circuits might be tweaked "differently"...but they are both still a modded TS.
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Post by Jacques Belanger on Nov 6, 2014 6:53:56 GMT -7
I thought the Paisley was his take on the Zen Drive. It might be.... because the Zen Drive.... is ALSO a TS clone. Here's a "brief" list of TS clones... BBE Green Screamer Voodoo Labs Sparkle Drive Boss Super overdrive Fulltone Fulldrive CMATMODS Signa Drive Gearmandude Luther Drive Zendrive Paisley Drive Visual Sound - Route 808 BB Preamp Bad Monkey Joyo Vintage Overdrive Klon Centaur (heavily modded...but still pretty close) This is by no means a complete and exhaustive list.... just the first bunch that crossed my mind. I'm not going to get into a flame war with anybody here.... (let's keep our EGO/wallets out of this). I have my degree in electronics engineering and i build/repair guitars/amps/pedals for a living. Trust me.....I know what I am talking about. There are only SO many ways to make an overdrive. I'm NOT saying that these pedals are exactly the same....but they are more the same than they are different....and they are certainly not $200 different. I buy resistors in bulk....$40 for 8600 resistors.... do the math on the profit margin for modding a few components.... it's astronomical. When you are ready for your bubble to burst.....join freestompboxes.org or diystompboxes.com and learn what "really" goes into making pedals.... it's not voodoo magic. it's simple CHEAP parts...that anybody can buy. none of these "makers"...make anything. they are assemblers and tweakers. And they are laughing all the way to the bank..... Rant over.
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Post by brayks on Nov 6, 2014 7:35:47 GMT -7
Ive had mine for over a month now and STILL haven't had a chance to check it out. ...been busier than a one-legged man in an arse kick'n contest. Heck, I've only been able to put about a total of 1 hour on the JAZ for cry'n out loud! Maybe some day...
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Post by jesslm02 on Nov 6, 2014 7:58:33 GMT -7
No, not really. He never said the PD was a TS copy, because it's not. Maybe a slight nod to a TS but different circuit design altogether, and different OD character as well. It is a mid heavy pedal (the PD), but there's more to it than that. I have the PD and the Clarksdale. They are different enough that I have both on my board. The TMB controls on the Clarksdale make it more versatile than any other TS or copy out there. Personally, I love what a TS does - I don't get the whole transparent OD fad that seems to be going on. I want my OD to cut through a mix and nothing does that better than a TS. Pro players play them for a reason. They work. actually, I've talked to Brian Wampler myself....and yes... it IS a TS copy. If you don't believe me....I can prove it to you... www.freestompboxes.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=12758&hilit=paisley+drive(indyguitarist IS Brian Wampler).....he admits it's just a Tweaked 808.... Sorry to break it to you.... but it's the truth whether you want to believe it or not. The 2 circuits might be tweaked "differently"...but they are both still a modded TS. When I say it's not a copy, I'm talking tone. I know most ODs out there are based on the ol' TS. Not denying that. I'm not going to start throwing degrees out there, I have my own. I've studied the circuits myself. I've read the forum you listed and Brian's posts. In my opinion once you tweak the TS circuit it's technically no longer a clone. An upgraded version, maybe. But I'm going by what my ears tell me, and I've tried almost all of them. So I'm saying even if the PD is a tweaked TS, it's definitely not a clone, and borders on being a distortion more than an OD. It has it's own thing. Now the Clarksdale is a TS808 clone with an added TMB eq section. Brian clearly states this for all to see. He calls it what it is. But it is different from the PD.
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Post by Jacques Belanger on Nov 6, 2014 9:00:21 GMT -7
actually, I've talked to Brian Wampler myself....and yes... it IS a TS copy. If you don't believe me....I can prove it to you... www.freestompboxes.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=12758&hilit=paisley+drive(indyguitarist IS Brian Wampler).....he admits it's just a Tweaked 808.... Sorry to break it to you.... but it's the truth whether you want to believe it or not. The 2 circuits might be tweaked "differently"...but they are both still a modded TS. In my opinion once you tweak the TS circuit it's technically no longer a clone. Now the Clarksdale is a TS808 clone with an added TMB eq section. Uh....ok. One has an "adjustable tone stack" and one has the tone stack set at pre-determined settings with capacitors/resistors..... I fail to see how they are "totally" different. Adding a TMB eq section.....IS modding it. Anyways...like I said.... I'm refuse to get into a flame war on a public forum. With all due respect to all parties involved... I'll say no more. We each are allowed to have our own opinions on what constitutes a clone or not.
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Post by jesslm02 on Nov 6, 2014 9:02:48 GMT -7
In my opinion once you tweak the TS circuit it's technically no longer a clone. Now the Clarksdale is a TS808 clone with an added TMB eq section. Uh....ok. One has an "adjustable tone stack" and one has the tone stack set at pre-determined settings with capacitors/resistors..... I fail to see how they are "totally" different. Adding a TMB eq section.....IS modding it. Anyways...like I said.... I'm refuse to get into a flame war on a public forum. With all due respect to all parties involved... I'll say no more. We each are allowed to have our own opinions on what constitutes a clone or not. We don't get into flame wars here.
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Post by Jacques Belanger on Nov 6, 2014 9:08:11 GMT -7
Now THAT comment is worth breaking my silence for. "stands up and claps" Cheers! And enjoy the pedal.
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Post by jammergreg on Nov 6, 2014 9:23:27 GMT -7
I got mine coming Friday.
As far as clones...Clone shmone. Do you like it? Yikes!
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Post by jesslm02 on Nov 6, 2014 9:25:13 GMT -7
I got mine coming Friday. As far as clones...Clone shmone. Do you like it? Yikes! I do, but I've mostly only used it stacked with others to push them more. Or to push the amp for a dirty boost.
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Post by greenblues58 on Nov 6, 2014 9:56:19 GMT -7
I have a Bad Monkey and a Green Rhino. Both have adjustable tone stacks and are takes on the TS but are both very different sounding pedals. Bad Monkey is very underrated IMHO and value for money as can be set so that it does not colour your tone just more boost/volume with drive(better for single coils to my ears). The Rhino is very different and darker sounding but sounds great when pushed by the Bad Monkey with buckers for an over the top drive.
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Post by jammergreg on Nov 10, 2014 22:30:49 GMT -7
I played mine at practice. Just the pedal and Blues jr and my Gibby CS-339. NICE!!!!!!!!
Now I can't wait to try it with other guitars and amps. Then stack on my pedal board.
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Post by jammergreg on Nov 15, 2014 16:01:17 GMT -7
I love this pedal...The Midrange pot puts you from scooped to normal, to mid boost, to stuck wah. Works well w/ all my guitars. I don't have a Tele.
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Post by jammergreg on Nov 18, 2014 16:27:14 GMT -7
The thing about this pedal is the Mid control...I love it.
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Post by jammergreg on Dec 31, 2014 3:01:16 GMT -7
Very thick sounding too! Not over the top OD but real nice. My Gibby 339 loves it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2014 9:07:18 GMT -7
Got one for Christmas--it's good so far. Very TS-like, obviously, but with a lot more bass on tap, a good bit more gain (though still not enough for my tastes on its own), and what everyone else has said about the mid-control, which is stellar. I've been looking for a good TS-like pedal for my main board, and the Clarksdale is right up there with the Timmy in the TS-clone category. It's money with a Strat into a BF-type amp: crank the volume, bump the mids a bit and adjust the gain for some nice dirt when you dig in and it's very SRV-like. Not my fave with a Tele--haven't tried it with the Lester, thinking it'll work great as a dirty boost with a Gretsch. A/B-ing back and forth between the Clarksdale and the Velvet Fuzz, you can REALLY hear how scooped and compressed the Velvet is. That said, really digging the new Jetter pedals the most right now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2014 12:19:25 GMT -7
Which Jetter pedals are you using Jon? thanks
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2014 15:43:37 GMT -7
The Train Drive and the GS 124 on my main board, and the Jet Drive on my small board.
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Post by jesslm02 on Jan 16, 2015 13:26:03 GMT -7
I really don't know what the Paisley Drive is based on. Odds are that it started out with a TS flavor, but it was custom voiced just for Brad, and to suite Brad's ear. It's more distortion than overdrive to my ear. I have both the Clarksdale and the PD and they are different enough for me to want to keep both on the board. So no, I don't believe the PD is his take on the TS, but the Clarksdale is.
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