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Post by paulsbruno on Jul 24, 2014 12:42:41 GMT -7
Hey gang, first time posting here, new member, longtime owner of the Maz 38 Sr. (mid-2000s). Was wondering... if you had an opportunity to buy a mint/excellent condition used Z 1x12 cabinet, with the convertible options in back, for around $420, would you do it? From a dealer, shipping included, no sales tax. Matches my red amp head, hence the bit of impatience I have about it. JUST missed winning an eBay auction on it for slightly less ($20-$30 less).
Thoughts?
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Post by Maddog on Jul 24, 2014 12:45:21 GMT -7
That would be very hard to resist, especially since it's the right color, and the right cab and no tax/shipping.... Go for it, Bro!......and WELCOME to the madness!
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Post by Maddog on Jul 24, 2014 12:46:18 GMT -7
^^^^ OBTW, (assuming it's a loaded cab) what speaker is in it?
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Post by paulsbruno on Jul 24, 2014 12:46:21 GMT -7
Hahaha! Madness indeed! Yes, does look like a good deal to me; just wanted the sanity check of you fine folks here
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Post by paulsbruno on Jul 24, 2014 12:48:01 GMT -7
Yeah, loaded cab... man, wouldn't you know, didn't check. I'm fairly certain it's stock, if that is what happens with Z cabs (this'll be my first).
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Post by paulsbruno on Jul 24, 2014 12:49:29 GMT -7
@maddog Okay, it's a Celestion G12-H30.
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Post by bryan0418 on Jul 24, 2014 12:56:07 GMT -7
Usually those cabs come with a Vintage 30. The G12H costs more I believe. That would sound good with your MAZ38 but you may not want to crank it all the way as the G12H is only 30 watts.
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Post by paulsbruno on Jul 24, 2014 15:32:40 GMT -7
bryan0418 Okay, so, would I harm the speaker if I never ran the master over noon/straight up? I actually use it for pedal platforming more than cranking. And I have a real Fender Deluxe Reverb '64, so this would be for a different flavor in the studio, and a way to run stereo live. (Or for the studio as well.)
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Post by digiTED aka 'Ted' on Jul 24, 2014 16:18:32 GMT -7
Hey paulsbruno; welcome here! No harm to the speaker from giving it partial volume that I've ever heard of, only too much You won't be getting much in the way of speaker breakup (or any) but that doesn't mean it won't sound good at your volume needs. I'd imagine it'll be pretty chimey with your 38 and a nice counterpoint to your BFDR. I had a Jan '67 for a while; it was very smoky and warm, esp. with a C-Rex in there! Sent using some app on whatever device this is
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Post by paulsbruno on Jul 24, 2014 17:06:27 GMT -7
digiTED aka 'Ted' Okay, so I SHOULDN'T run it at full volume or nearly so... but running at half or less should be good, right? Sorry, a bit new to attempting to mix and match cabs/speakers to amps, so I'm not very knowledgeable.
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Post by digiTED aka 'Ted' on Jul 24, 2014 18:12:28 GMT -7
The things to consider are impedance and wattage rating. If your amp exceeds the wattage (if using a multi speaker setup your max wattage is whatever the lowest rated speaker is multiplied by number of speakers). That's why you see Vox AC30s with two Blues (15w ea. ).
That said, amps can exceed their listed wattage when pushed super hard, I.e overdriven. An AC30 can blow those speakers when dimed. I recently blew a 20w speaker in a Carr Sportsman rated at 16-19w.
Some folks like to go for a speaker setup with double the wattage of their amp as a precaution.
It also depends on how early or late your want the speaker breakup to occur (lower wattage speakers usually breakup sooner).
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Post by digiTED aka 'Ted' on Jul 24, 2014 18:13:51 GMT -7
For impedance, either match or go "up", i.e. 8ohm out to a 16ohm cab. Don't go "down"; most transformers could be damaged.
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Post by Maddog on Jul 24, 2014 21:27:51 GMT -7
I ran a G12H30 in a Z 1 x 12 convertible cab with my maz 38 and my remedy on the 40 watt setting. Played some pretty loud gigs....never got close to hurting that speaker.... I think you'd have to be trying to hurt THAT speaker with a 40 watt amp to ever do it any damage...GREAT speaker...
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Post by headshrinker (Marc) on Jul 25, 2014 6:53:12 GMT -7
Celestion rates their speakers very conservatively. A 30 watt Celestion should hold 40 watts if you don't run it at full volume all the time. I ran a 25 watt Greenback in a Mesa IIB which is rated at 60 watts for years with the volume at noon. I'm still using that speaker in another amp. Having said all this. You do proceed at your own risk.
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Post by bluzman on Jul 25, 2014 7:16:08 GMT -7
I've done it!
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Post by paulsbruno on Jul 25, 2014 8:41:36 GMT -7
Well, and then there's this, guys: I've discovered that in the Maz 38 *combo* (as well as the Maz 18 combo), the Doc, as you all say here, uses a G12H30 as well. So, I'd def say I'm safe... right?
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Post by headshrinker (Marc) on Jul 25, 2014 8:54:41 GMT -7
Yep. He wouldn't put it in if it couldn't take it.
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Post by simpleton on Jul 25, 2014 22:09:06 GMT -7
Well, and then there's this, guys: I've discovered that in the Maz 38 *combo* (as well as the Maz 18 combo), the Doc, as you all say here, uses a G12H30 as well. So, I'd def say I'm safe... right? That would solve it for me...next we should see a picture posted here.
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Post by paulsbruno on Jul 28, 2014 8:34:35 GMT -7
Ha, well... ask, and you shall receive. Bought it today. Will post pictures soon
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Post by tonesearcher on Jul 28, 2014 14:29:34 GMT -7
Good stuff !
i've just bought my FIRST Dr Z today... And snagged a used 1x12 convertible too from the brilliant guys at Peach Guitars...
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Post by paulsbruno on Jul 29, 2014 7:19:28 GMT -7
Well, sadly, it turned out that the 1x12 combo was incorrectly listed on the website... it's actually a 2x10 convertible with the Z 10s in there. What would your thoughts be at this point, given that this is true, any of those of you who've already responded (or really, anyone else!)?
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