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Post by Easyrom on Jul 19, 2014 14:03:35 GMT -7
Everything I read about the Therapy, from Dr Z' theory to first reviews, make me want it badly. But I'm a living room player and I do realize 35W are way too much for my needs... Actually, I've been really pleased with my Maz 8 Studio for a while. Hot Rod Marshall Class 5 is gone, cause my Maz pushed by a pedal was Marshaller. Tone King Falcon is gone, cause Maz' triode mode and EQ bypass sounded better to me ears and feel. Now I really want to try something else (the Maz stays!), and a 8 or 12W Therapy Jr would be considered very seriously here! What you guys think about that?
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Post by KeithA on Jul 19, 2014 14:11:46 GMT -7
I suspect the answer is that the really great MV on the Therapy makes a decent low volume amp...so no Thrapy Jr needed.
Keith
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Post by Easyrom on Jul 19, 2014 14:18:24 GMT -7
Is the master that great? I feel like a great 35W amp for sunday home player is a waste...
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Post by Stan on Jul 19, 2014 14:28:59 GMT -7
Personally I'd like a lunch box size Fender style Z amp, the MV solves the wattage for me.
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Post by doctorice on Jul 19, 2014 14:51:04 GMT -7
Is the master that great? I feel like a great 35W amp for sunday home player is a waste... Yes, it is like an infinitely variable attenuator. And, yes, it would be hard to own one and not let it rip on occasion, imo.
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Post by gotmojo on Jul 19, 2014 15:52:05 GMT -7
Funny, I just finished playing it down at what an 5-8 watt amp would be like in terms of volume and it was KILLER DILLER and toneful as heck And extremely satisfying! Plus, it'll get loud if'n I want it to. I'd say there's no need for a low wattage one, the MV works that well. I mean, if I could only have one amp (God forbid), this just might be the amp to have.
jj
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Post by Easyrom on Jul 19, 2014 16:04:47 GMT -7
Is the master that great? I feel like a great 35W amp for sunday home player is a waste... Yes, it is like an infinitely variable attenuator. And, yes, it would be hard to own one and not let it rip on occasion, imo. Thanks for your answers. Is a Brake lite useless though? I could use my Maz Studio as a cab (Scumnico)... For a start. So my last reason not to go for it is gone, isn't it ?
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Post by Easyrom on Jul 19, 2014 16:10:08 GMT -7
Funny, I just finished playing it down at what an 5-8 watt amp would be like in terms of volume and it was KILLER DILLER and toneful as heck And extremely satisfying! Plus, it'll get loud if'n I want it to. I'd say there's no need for a low wattage one, the MV works that well. I mean, if I could only have one amp (God forbid), this just might be the amp to have. jj Cruel to know! Now I have to sell a few guitars (I can't imagine to sell the Maz 8; too good to go!)
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Post by gplayer1965 on Jul 19, 2014 16:22:15 GMT -7
I am a closet player (no comments) and can't really let her Rip and I can testify the MV is God sent
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Jul 19, 2014 16:33:35 GMT -7
Personally I'd like a lunch box size Fender style Z amp, the MV solves the wattage for me. It's called "25th Anniversary Ghia"!
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Jul 19, 2014 16:34:51 GMT -7
Yes, it is like an infinitely variable attenuator. And, yes, it would be hard to own one and not let it rip on occasion, imo. Thanks for your answers. Is a Brake lite useless though? I could use my Maz Studio as a cab (Scumnico)... For a start. So my last reason not to go for it is gone, isn't it ? No reason not to buy one!
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Post by Stan on Jul 19, 2014 16:48:16 GMT -7
Personally I'd like a lunch box size Fender style Z amp, the MV solves the wattage for me. It's called "25th Anniversary Ghia"! Really, I thought the Ghia was more of the British tones side?
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Jul 19, 2014 17:24:44 GMT -7
If you are using a strat with your gv rolled off you can get some Fender tones out of the Ghia,,especially if you keep volume down.
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Post by markT on Jul 19, 2014 19:31:07 GMT -7
Rest assured.....no attenuator needed with Therapy. Bedroom to scanctuary to stadium. This amp does it all!
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Post by gplayer1965 on Jul 19, 2014 19:45:58 GMT -7
What mark said
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Post by Easyrom on Jul 20, 2014 12:57:23 GMT -7
So I guess I'm in trouble. I've played the whole week end with my Maz 8 and its Scumnico and it sounds fantastic with my Strat, Les Paul and Gretsch. But this Therapy...
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Post by gplayer1965 on Jul 20, 2014 16:40:21 GMT -7
You seemed confused and troubled....get some therapy
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Jul 21, 2014 7:12:01 GMT -7
It is conceptually easy to halve the power of an amp that uses four power tubes. But halving the power of an amp using two requires a re-think of the entire power amp. Undoubtedly different power tubes would be required, which may or may not change the way the amp sounds and feels. It would be a pretty tall order, and quite a different amplifier, I'm thinking.
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Post by DRZ on Jul 21, 2014 8:01:14 GMT -7
It is conceptually easy to halve the power of an amp that uses four power tubes. But halving the power of an amp using two requires a re-think of the entire power amp. Undoubtedly different power tubes would be required, which may or may not change the way the amp sounds and feels. It would be a pretty tall order, and quite a different amplifier, I'm thinking. + 10000
It is a bit discouraging to read all these calls for major changes in a product that they have never plugged into.
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Post by gplayer1965 on Jul 21, 2014 8:40:16 GMT -7
It is conceptually easy to halve the power of an amp that uses four power tubes. But halving the power of an amp using two requires a re-think of the entire power amp. Undoubtedly different power tubes would be required, which may or may not change the way the amp sounds and feels. It would be a pretty tall order, and quite a different amplifier, I'm thinking. + 10000
It is a bit discouraging to read all these calls for major changes in a product that they have never plugged into.
I plugged,I happy
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Post by doctorice on Jul 21, 2014 9:22:28 GMT -7
It is a bit discouraging to read all these calls for major changes in a product that they have never plugged into.
Understandably frustrating when the amp has just come out, Z. My guess is that folks just want to tap into the joy of Therapy but don't need the available power. My hunch is that a re-engineered low-power Therapy would not be significantly less costly, e.g, MAZ 8 retails for 90%+ of MAZ 18 Jr. Similar DNA, but different amps, to paraphrase Steve. (OK, you do get the triode/pentode switch on the 8 )
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Jul 21, 2014 9:29:12 GMT -7
I wouldn't change a thing!!!!
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Post by Phil (aka Phil) on Jul 21, 2014 11:10:08 GMT -7
We've discussed this issue before on Z-Talk. It's a physics problem. I've wanted a world-class bedroom amp for my entire playing "career". Amy sure would appreciate it. For years I played my Z's (even the Delta and Mazerati GT!) at home at all hours of the day and night. Actually that's where part of my right hand technique came from...trying to play a non-master volume tube amp quietly in the house! Now that's dynamics! The problem is that these kinds of amps generate their great tone when a lot of electrons are flowing...that means volume. You can go into all kinds of scientific explanations about voltage but at the end of the day we've got one big problem: the speakers we play are quite efficient and even one watt is loud through them. True bedroom levels or levels that won't get the neighbors complaining are way under 90db...which means way under 1 watt with most speakers. I've got a ZVex Nano head that's around that one watt level and through my Z-Best my family still complains! I've played some amps with power scaling that sounded pretty darn good at low volumes like this one: ...but then you sometimes run into problem number two: lack of "air". Any amp that gets down into that really low volume range is not moving enough air to sound really good. That's the main reason why headphones plugged straight into a digital modeller sound flat. Our ears are much more sensitive to mids and highs which makes the bass sound relatively thin at low levels. The best compromise I've found (balsphemy!) is an Axe-Fx through an Atomic full-range tube-powered cabinet. Yes, the 6L6 powered cab wants to be loud like any tube powered device but even at low levels the high-gain sounds are very fun and rewarding to play. The cleans are another matter...
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Post by Easyrom on Jul 21, 2014 15:07:21 GMT -7
It is a bit discouraging to read all these calls for major changes in a product that they have never plugged into.
Understandably frustrating when the amp has just come out, Z. My guess is that folks just want to tap into the joy of Therapy but don't need the available power. My hunch is that a re-engineered low-power Therapy would not be significantly less costly, e.g, MAZ 8 retails for 90%+ of MAZ 18 Jr. Similar DNA, but different amps, to paraphrase Steve. (OK, you do get the triode/pentode switch on the 8 ) Exactly that. Really don't want to be discouraging in any way Doc, just afraid having an amp which could not deliver its goods at low volume! But what I read here and there is so positive I may plug some guitars into this Therapy... as soon as it is available here in Paris.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Jul 21, 2014 17:29:19 GMT -7
That MV is very special, so try it before writing it off. Sure, 35W May seem a lot, but what does it matter if you get the tone you want with the MV? It would be no cheaper if it was 5 W probably, and wouldn't be the same amp. This one is special folks, very special.
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Post by Easyrom on Jul 21, 2014 17:45:53 GMT -7
I'm sure I'll love it when I try it!
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Post by bluzman on Jul 21, 2014 17:53:46 GMT -7
I have an Rx Jr. (sorry about those that haven't experienced one) I have an M12... a MAZ 8 and a MV Ghia among many others in the lower wattage range. I have all of the bases covered and I'm still leaning at getting the Therapy and Antidote... just because!!!
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Post by doctorice on Jul 21, 2014 18:22:37 GMT -7
I have an Rx Jr. (sorry about those that haven't experienced one) I have an M12... a MAZ 8 and a MV Ghia among many others in the lower wattage range. I have all of the bases covered and I'm still leaning at getting the Therapy and Antidote... just because!!! Go for it, Paul.
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Post by tjnies on Jul 21, 2014 18:47:00 GMT -7
If you don't mind an interloper to chime in. Maybe not so much...I have owned a Maz 18 and 8.
Anyway, the OP wonders about 35 watts is a home situation. I can relate, being in the same boat. So you can understand why the Maz18 was just too loud for that venue, as the MV sounds incredible post-2pm. But those moments are too few.
I ended up going with another boutique amp (although I'm still a huge Z fan) which also has a great MV and is 40 watts. I questioned having too much wattage, but rest assured, you will be fine. You may even get the chance to let it rip now and then!
I am really impressed at the tones I've heard so far on the Therapy; had it been out when I was choosing I'd be an owner now.
Go for it.
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Post by Dan F"i"fe on Jul 21, 2014 19:11:16 GMT -7
As Z pointed out, please play one before asking for modifications. The artist just created a masterpiece, let the man stand back and enjoy it for a spell. No worries, We all get excited when a new amp surfaces..
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