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Post by Christopher on Jul 11, 2014 12:23:23 GMT -7
This is just my .02 cents worth of what my ears are telling me. When speakers match the character of the amp they work together to make some pretty swell audible mojo. Case in point- my Z28 has the OEM made in England G12H30 inside and though I tried the TT AlNiCo HE inside it I ulimately went back to the stock speaker b/c the amp sang with it. Everything I expected to hear came out of that combination. I also tried a Chinese made 12H30 in an American voiced amp by another maker- it doesn't work to my ear. The better speaker was the original that came with it which was a lower wattage AlNiCo. The compromise (for now until the $$ comes along to change it) is less bottom end oopmh but there's a lot more chime/upper register clarity. When I read the Z Wreck article on the Z amp site about the original voice of the Wreck being a Gold & Blue it's apparent that amp designers with an ear for tone match these things up like racecar drivers and tires, models and their bikinis, etc. There are exceptions b/c we all hear things "differently" but my experience has shown me deviation from intention has mixed results. What's crazy to wrap my head around is how incredibly loud the Red Fang/ Ghia combo is in the 1/10 format and knowing that the Doc designed it that way is astonishing. That's a go cart with a hemi inside.
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Post by southmusic70 on Jul 11, 2014 13:05:48 GMT -7
There is a lot of discussion all over the Forum about swapping out speakers in an effort to find "the ONE" for this Z amp or that one. This is a good thing for everybody, very educational and the knowledge gleaned is very transferrable. Very cool.
I've been at this awhile, am not a tinkerer and cannot use tools (I've said here before that stringing a guitar without incident is still, after over 50 years of playing, 48 of them professionally, what I consider a gift from God). Due to this reality I've been compelled to assume that quality amp makers take a good bit of care in the design and execution of their products, and as a result I believe their spec-ing this speaker for that amp will probably sound good, in fact, probably optimal.
I certainly trust Dr. Z to get this right.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Jul 11, 2014 18:49:43 GMT -7
In my experience with a ton of speakers lately, I can confirm that yes, the Doc's choice of speakers--both "stock" and "upgrade"--are almost always the perfect picks.
Now, in some cases I might prefer a WGS or Eminence variant of a particular "style" speaker, but there's no way the Doc can bother messing with with all brands of speakers and such. The Celestions are good and they represent a wide variety of British styles--plus the Doc gets 'em at a good cost and keeps his prices reasonable. If ever in doubt for your amp, look up what the Doc is using and try that first.
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Post by southmusic70 on Jul 11, 2014 19:47:46 GMT -7
Exactly!
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Post by jesslm02 on Jul 12, 2014 9:28:39 GMT -7
I suspect that a lot of speaker swapping is the result of trying speakers that aren't broken in. Take the G12H30 for example, I've played the speaker new snd did not like it, sold it, and started the speaker swap quest. Fast forward after trying many speakers I wound up with a broken-in H30 and bam, sounded great in the same amp!
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Post by ghostdriver on Jul 14, 2014 17:31:10 GMT -7
I suspect that a lot of speaker swapping is the result of trying speakers that aren't broken in. Take the G12H30 for example, I've played the speaker new snd did not like it, sold it, and started the speaker swap quest. Fast forward after trying many speakers I wound up with a broken-in H30 and bam, sounded great in the same amp! Sent from my Galaxy S4 using Proboards I believe this is very true. I'm sure I've given up on speakers as well that just needed to be broken in. Problem is a lot of us are not playing in a band anymore and playing at home at 1/4 volume takes a long time to break them in.
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