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Post by smolder on Jun 28, 2014 9:17:15 GMT -7
...and, small chassis combo cabs come up for sale fairly regularly. I picked up both 1x and 2x10 cabs here... And switch them around on occasion. M12, Ghia, z-28, and I think the newer mini-z are all the same size chassis.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Jun 28, 2014 16:09:05 GMT -7
Looks just like my Z28! I can't comment on price, but that looks like a killer rig! Why can't you comment on the price? It's $1300+shipping from Montreal to Nashville. I wish I could find a combo but that little cab is so sweet. It's super rare. It "retails" for over $500. He said he'd sell me the head for $900 and can for $400. I might do it if he'll help with shipping. We'll see. because I live in the UK........
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Post by garysgearreviews on Jul 4, 2014 9:41:00 GMT -7
Well I went to rock block (can't remember if I posted this) and played several Zs including a z281x12 combo. The only one I liked better was the remedy but it was the old non-master volume and it was insanely loud! They let me crank it and the whole store shook lol. But back to the 28. It was my favorite of what I tried that would be practical but I did have one issue. It was so bright. I had the treble on the amp turned completely counter clockwise and my guitars tone knob rolled waaaay back and it was still hurting my ears. Maybe it was just the same room or something but it was a serious issue. It sounded amazing but still, the shrillness kept me from buying it immediately. I wonder if anyone else has experienced this. I'll post this in the forum.
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Post by Ridgeback on Jul 4, 2014 10:39:48 GMT -7
Sounds like a problem with tubes, speaker (or whatever) because that description doesn't sound like any Z-28 I've heard or played. On the other hand, we all hear things differently. One person's dog is another person's holy grail.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 12:01:22 GMT -7
Agree with Ridgeback- I have a Z-28 and Ghia, and, to my ears, the Ghia is MUCH brighter, treble-wise. The Z-28 is for sale in the BST, if you're interested. Sent you a PM as well...
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Post by bigben55 on Jul 5, 2014 6:09:27 GMT -7
The Z28 IMO is not an overly bright amp. Its bright enough, but I've had many brighter amps. Bet it was the new, unbroken in speaker.
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Post by Joey Beverages on Jul 5, 2014 6:42:29 GMT -7
Based on several years of play-time with my Z-28 and using various guitars/cabs/fx .... speaker, room or guitar pickups or a combination of those three things prolly brought the brite/bite to the forefront .....just my .02, ymmv, imho ....... have used various other Z amps and hadn't really thought of it as the brightest Hope your Z-quest is a good - and, with the Remedy were you on 40 watt(full) or 20 watt(half) setting? It is a phenomenal amp either way cheers always, eh Joel
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Post by garysgearreviews on Jul 5, 2014 9:29:30 GMT -7
Based on several years of play-time with my Z-28 and using various guitars/cabs/fx .... speaker, room or guitar pickups or a combination of those three things prolly brought the brite/bite to the forefront .....just my .02, ymmv, imho ....... have used various other Z amps and hadn't really thought of it as the brightest Hope your Z-quest is a good - and, with the Remedy were you on 40 watt(full) or 20 watt(half) setting? It is a phenomenal amp either way cheers always, eh Joel I tried both settings. It was a pre-master vol one, I think he said it switched from 30 to 40 watts. It would be cool to have a remedy combo. Maybe a tiny but lower wattage too. But it was my favorite sounding of all the Zs I tried.
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Post by bwc on Jul 5, 2014 10:24:31 GMT -7
Gary, did you try running the z-28 through your own cab with the 12h30? If not I'd run back there and try it out with your broken in speaker. The combo speaker may not have been broken in and sounded weird.
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Post by garysgearreviews on Jul 5, 2014 13:07:47 GMT -7
Based on several years of play-time with my Z-28 and using various guitars/cabs/fx .... speaker, room or guitar pickups or a combination of those three things prolly brought the brite/bite to the forefront .....just my .02, ymmv, imho ....... have used various other Z amps and hadn't really thought of it as the brightest Hope your Z-quest is a good - and, with the Remedy were you on 40 watt(full) or 20 watt(half) setting? It is a phenomenal amp either way cheers always, eh Joel I tried both settings. It was a pre-master vol one, I think he said it switched from 30 to 40 watts. It would be cool to have a remedy combo. Maybe a tiny but lower wattage too. But it was my favorite sounding of all the Zs I tried.
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Post by schultz on Jul 7, 2014 18:00:11 GMT -7
I love the KT-45 so I think I will also love the Z28 I have incoming...right?
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Post by southmusic70 on Jul 7, 2014 18:06:51 GMT -7
You'll probably like the 28 even better! I have both, and find that the Z28 has more practical applications. I also have a Route 66, but it's different in that it's much darker than either the 28 or 45.
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Post by nmz on Jul 7, 2014 18:29:59 GMT -7
I love the KT-45 so I think I will also love the Z28 I have incoming...right? Right!
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Post by eliot1025 on Jul 12, 2014 4:12:01 GMT -7
How different does it make the Z28 sound then say, something like a Deluxe Reverb?(both have 2 6v6s). Also, I'm a little concerned about it being loud/clean enough for full-band gigs. I've A/B'd my '65 DRRI and Z-28 with instantaneous switching through the same speaker, and they're "close" but I wouldn't call 'em the same. (Same ballpark, both infield maybe.. but mabye short-stop vs. 1st base?) The Z-28 has stronger mids that you can't really dial out (this isn't a bad thing, but just making a point, as there's no MID knob). But if you could dial them down, I'm guessing they'd be much closer in tone. Cranking them up, the Deluxe seems to get brash & a little harsh, whereas the Z-28 has a nicer crunch (less American, more British). Amazing amp, that Z-28. One of the Doc's finest... and proof that sometimes simpler is better. This is correct. The 28 doesn't have the scooped mids of classic blackface-style amps and the breakup tone is in the Marshall camp. The 28 is somewhere between the American and British sounds (sort of a Mid-Atlantic tone profile). :-) It's not what I think of as a classic country amp but it will work pretty well for that. Tonally it works well for a lot of styles. For me, that versatility is the main strength of the 28. I think the best Z amps for country are the StangRay and the EZG-50. The KT-45 would sound great on a country gig, too. If you're looking for loud and clean Z amps it's the EZG-50 with the KT-45 running a close second. They sound very different - the EZG is classic blackface Fender, the KT is classic Vox with some Hiwatt punch. IMHO avoid the Route 66 and the Remedy for country gigs - great amps for sure but not what most people think of when they think of a country sound. If you get a Z28 with 2x10s please know the the Z 10s are very honky with a large mid-range hump. IMHO, those speakers are not a good choice for a country amp especially with the 28s' ample mids. Contact Z directly for the name of their standard 10" upgrade. Good luck and welcome to the forum!
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Post by eliot1025 on Jul 12, 2014 4:20:59 GMT -7
Well I went to rock block (can't remember if I posted this) and played several Zs including a z281x12 combo. The only one I liked better was the remedy but it was the old non-master volume and it was insanely loud! They let me crank it and the whole store shook lol. But back to the 28. It was my favorite of what I tried that would be practical but I did have one issue. It was so bright. I had the treble on the amp turned completely counter clockwise and my guitars tone knob rolled waaaay back and it was still hurting my ears. Maybe it was just the same room or something but it was a serious issue. It sounded amazing but still, the shrillness kept me from buying it immediately. I wonder if anyone else has experienced this. I'll post this in the forum. I wonder what speaker was used. It shouldn't be shrill - that's not the normal sound for a 28. Sometimes the Celestion G12H30 speaker can have that effect. It's a speaker that Z often uses. Did they give you a George L cable? That might do it.
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Post by garysgearreviews on Sept 3, 2014 10:30:08 GMT -7
Hey guys, Sorry I haven't been back in a while. I've been busy with school, work and trying to play music. I've tried quote a few pa recently and will be buying one when I get my next check (probably 2 more weeks, wheels turn slow). Anyway, I've always been a 6v6 guy (found that out the hard way) so that's what I've primarily been looking at. I've been looking at a lot of Princeton-type amps. Both real vintage Princetons and some boutique-style replicas. I've been really considering the Vintage Sound 15 and a 66' Princeton NR. Still waiting to go try the 66' as the guy has been out of town. However, through looking at tons of stuff I found some Z-28 1x10 combos and I'm really interested. I didn't realize this incarnation existed. I'm wondering if a 1x10 Z-28 with an efficient speaker (I really like the Tone Tubby 40/40 but open to suggestions) would be a good choice. I haven't played one so I don't know. It just seems like a really powerful amp to be put in such a small 1x10-sized box. Any of you guys played 1x10 28s that can comment on this?
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Post by Christopher on Sept 3, 2014 11:25:06 GMT -7
I had a Ghia 1/10 combo w a 10 Gold inside. I dropped the '28 into it for a month or so and loved it. There was plenty of sound from the package and it covered a variety of gigs from a pit orchestra to a 5 pc band gig and held it's own. I prefer the sound of a 12 though so I put her back into the original configuration and have been that way since. It's a great combo in either format. I had a '68 blackline Princeton before I got my Z'28 and although it was a great amp it didn't hold a candle to the '28. There's a lot more versatility in the '28 IMO and the color of the amp cooking is more pleasing to my ear than the Princeton. If you want to look in that vein I'd check out the Carr Sportsman and Goodsell Super 17, too. Even though the Goody is an EL84 based amp it's sound is very similar to the Princeton Reverb and it has 'verb & tremolo if that's something you're into. AFA my choice for 6V6 amp the '28 is my fave by far.
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Post by garysgearreviews on Sept 3, 2014 11:40:25 GMT -7
(sorry duplicate post)
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Post by garysgearreviews on Sept 3, 2014 14:59:38 GMT -7
I had a Ghia 1/10 combo w a 10 Gold inside. I dropped the '28 into it for a month or so and loved it. There was plenty of sound from the package and it covered a variety of gigs from a pit orchestra to a 5 pc band gig and held it's own. I prefer the sound of a 12 though so I put her back into the original configuration and have been that way since. It's a great combo in either format. I had a '68 blackline Princeton before I got my Z'28 and although it was a great amp it didn't hold a candle to the '28. There's a lot more versatility in the '28 IMO and the color of the amp cooking is more pleasing to my ear than the Princeton. If you want to look in that vein I'd check out the Carr Sportsman and Goodsell Super 17, too. Even though the Goody is an EL84 based amp it's sound is very similar to the Princeton Reverb and it has 'verb & tremolo if that's something you're into. AFA my choice for 6V6 amp the '28 is my fave by far. Thanks for the input. I've had this bias towards 6V6 amps for a while now but the more Z amps i hear I feel like I could maybe make an exception Both the Carmen Ghia and the Maz 18 sound great with single coil telecasters (which is what I play). Both the Ghia and Maz are around 18 watts which seems ideal (anything from about 15-25 would be what I'm looking for). Plus I see killer deals on Ghias pretty regularly (under 1k). I'm really partial to combos (either 1x10, 1x12, or even 2x10) just because that's what i'm used to. I've never had to travel or carry around a head/cab so I don't really know how much it would bother me. I like the idea of big sound in a small package. I may start out with something like a Ghia or Maz Jr and trade it towards a Z28 later, we will have to see. It all depends on what I can find and try in person as well as what kind of deal I can find.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Sept 3, 2014 15:12:30 GMT -7
Hey guys, Sorry I haven't been back in a while. I've been busy with school, work and trying to play music. I've tried quote a few pa recently and will be buying one when I get my next check (probably 2 more weeks, wheels turn slow). Anyway, I've always been a 6v6 guy (found that out the hard way) so that's what I've primarily been looking at. I've been looking at a lot of Princeton-type amps. Both real vintage Princetons and some boutique-style replicas. I've been really considering the Vintage Sound 15 and a 66' Princeton NR. Still waiting to go try the 66' as the guy has been out of town. However, through looking at tons of stuff I found some Z-28 1x10 combos and I'm really interested. I didn't realize this incarnation existed. I'm wondering if a 1x10 Z-28 with an efficient speaker (I really like the Tone Tubby 40/40 but open to suggestions) would be a good choice. I haven't played one so I don't know. It just seems like a really powerful amp to be put in such a small 1x10-sized box. Any of you guys played 1x10 28s that can comment on this? My Z28 has spent almost all of its gigging life as a 1x10, and will be that way again as soon as I can afford a convertible 1x10 Z cab - the Z cab does not sound boxy at all, and with the muscularity of the Z28, it continually embarrassed other players with much bigger amps! A Z28 as a 1x10 is a VERY cool grab and go combo, and sounds wonderful (I had a Weber Blue Pup Ceramic in mine to get plenty of highs, and tame the mids a bit - it was an excellent speaker, and I believe 95dB if memory serves....... so not too loud)
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Post by garysgearreviews on Sept 3, 2014 17:41:32 GMT -7
Hey guys, Sorry I haven't been back in a while. I've been busy with school, work and trying to play music. I've tried quote a few pa recently and will be buying one when I get my next check (probably 2 more weeks, wheels turn slow). Anyway, I've always been a 6v6 guy (found that out the hard way) so that's what I've primarily been looking at. I've been looking at a lot of Princeton-type amps. Both real vintage Princetons and some boutique-style replicas. I've been really considering the Vintage Sound 15 and a 66' Princeton NR. Still waiting to go try the 66' as the guy has been out of town. However, through looking at tons of stuff I found some Z-28 1x10 combos and I'm really interested. I didn't realize this incarnation existed. I'm wondering if a 1x10 Z-28 with an efficient speaker (I really like the Tone Tubby 40/40 but open to suggestions) would be a good choice. I haven't played one so I don't know. It just seems like a really powerful amp to be put in such a small 1x10-sized box. Any of you guys played 1x10 28s that can comment on this? My Z28 has spent almost all of its gigging life as a 1x10, and will be that way again as soon as I can afford a convertible 1x10 Z cab - the Z cab does not sound boxy at all, and with the muscularity of the Z28, it continually embarrassed other players with much bigger amps! A Z28 as a 1x10 is a VERY cool grab and go combo, and sounds wonderful (I had a Weber Blue Pup Ceramic in mine to get plenty of highs, and tame the mids a bit - it was an excellent speaker, and I believe 95dB if memory serves....... so not too loud) Thanks for the great input. If I can't find a 1x10 z28 I'd consider buying a head and a convertible cab. Probably close to the same price as a combo. Im interested in hearing if any of you Dr Z guys are also Tone Tubby guys. I'm just curious as to how Zs are with a hemp-cone speaker. I know there's a GMD video of a z-28 with a TT 40/40.
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Post by garysgearreviews on Sept 5, 2014 9:22:47 GMT -7
So i'm seriously considering buying a Z-28 1x10 combo from another forum member here. It has a greenback in it, I'm not too familiar with that speaker personally. Just wondering how the greeny is in the z-28? Hopefully the guy decides to sell me the amp, he's still thinking about it and I can't blame him. I've played them in Vox amps but never in anything with 6v6s. I really want a speaker in the amp that's efficient, warm and clean. I need the top end to come through but to be warm and rich, not shrill.
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Post by Christopher on Sept 5, 2014 13:53:18 GMT -7
The green is a good compliment for gigging bc it's only @96db whereas the 12h30 is 100 & the tone tubby red is 103 db. I've heard & played Sean's '28 w greenback and it rocked.I tried a tt alnico and it was good but w the mid heavy tendencies of the 28 I went back to the 12H30. Too much boom for my taste.
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Post by garysgearreviews on Sept 5, 2014 17:00:45 GMT -7
The green is a good compliment for gigging bc it's only @96db whereas the 12h30 is 100 & the tone tubby red is 103 db. I've heard & played Sean's '28 w greenback and it rocked.I tried a tt alnico and it was good but w the mid heavy tendencies of the 28 I went back to the 12H30. Too much boom for my taste. Interesting, Thank You for the input. Hopefully I'll like the Greeny but even still I will probably experiment. I'm also considering a Ghia but only if the z-28 guys decides not to sell. The Ghia has a Gold in it.
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Post by southmusic70 on Sept 5, 2014 18:57:44 GMT -7
So:
Garygearreviews:
How long is it going to take you to decide about the Z28?
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Post by John on Sept 6, 2014 4:03:40 GMT -7
So i'm seriously considering buying a Z-28 1x10 combo from another forum member here. It has a greenback in it, I'm not too familiar with that speaker personally. Just wondering how the greeny is in the z-28? Hopefully the guy decides to sell me the amp, he's still thinking about it and I can't blame him. I've played them in Vox amps but never in anything with 6v6s. I really want a speaker in the amp that's efficient, warm and clean. I need the top end to come through but to be warm and rich, not shrill. A 10" speaker that's efficient, warm and clean? Eminence Red Fang. VERY popular with the Z-28.
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Post by garysgearreviews on Sept 6, 2014 9:29:38 GMT -7
So: Garygearreviews: How long is it going to take you to decide about the Z28? I'm not sure I understand. Because the thread is so old maybe? Idk. I'm waiting for the seller to decide if he's going to sell it.
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Post by southmusic70 on Sept 6, 2014 9:53:11 GMT -7
Just wondering.
The sooner you get it, the sooner you can get another Z.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Sept 6, 2014 14:17:57 GMT -7
The green is a good compliment for gigging bc it's only @96db whereas the 12h30 is 100 & the tone tubby red is 103 db. I've heard & played Sean's '28 w greenback and it rocked.I tried a tt alnico and it was good but w the mid heavy tendencies of the 28 I went back to the 12H30. Too much boom for my taste. Interesting, Thank You for the input. Hopefully I'll like the Greeny but even still I will probably experiment. I'm also considering a Ghia but only if the z-28 guys decides not to sell. The Ghia has a Gold in it. Just watch out for the mid hump in the Z28. I found a mid heavy speaker like the Red Fang pretty awful with my Z28 1x10 - it smothered all the top end and felt heavy and leaden, to my ears anyway, and it is VERY loud (100dB). I ended up with a Weber Blue Pup Ceramic - that lifted the lid off the Z28 and let her sing, yet is only 95dB I believe, so the volume was much easier to tame. I actually got the closest thing to chime from the Z28 with this speaker, yet it wasn't harsh at all. I actually didn't like any Alnico speaker with the Z28. They all seemed to put a blanket over the amp. Ceramic speakers seem to let the air in a more, regardless of which ones. After that, just chose the flavour you like best.
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Post by garysgearreviews on Sept 7, 2014 9:50:47 GMT -7
Interesting, Thank You for the input. Hopefully I'll like the Greeny but even still I will probably experiment. I'm also considering a Ghia but only if the z-28 guys decides not to sell. The Ghia has a Gold in it. Just watch out for the mid hump in the Z28. I found a mid heavy speaker like the Red Fang pretty awful with my Z28 1x10 - it smothered all the top end and felt heavy and leaden, to my ears anyway, and it is VERY loud (100dB). I ended up with a Weber Blue Pup Ceramic - that lifted the lid off the Z28 and let her sing, yet is only 95dB I believe, so the volume was much easier to tame. I actually got the closest thing to chime from the Z28 with this speaker, yet it wasn't harsh at all. I actually didn't like any Alnico speaker with the Z28. They all seemed to put a blanket over the amp. Ceramic speakers seem to let the air in a more, regardless of which ones. After that, just chose the flavour you like best. Yeah that's what worries me a little. A mid heavy amp without a mid-knob. Anyone ever put a mid-knob on a z-28? I know people add them to Princetons a lot...... Anyway, what are some mid-scooped speakers? Or just speakers that would be good for a mid-rangey amp? I also have always like ceramic speakers. Suggestions? I have more first hand experience with 12" speakers but what are some good 10" ceramics that tame mids but don't kill the top end? I like the Tone Tubby 40/40 and a couple webers. I just looked and they make a 10" California, that might be cool but I can't find the dB but it is 80w, that seems like a lot lol. Also, they're 15% off right now Maybe I'll email weber and see what they recommend but would also like you guys's input. I just need cleans, the amps plenty loud I imagine with any speaker. I play country stuff so I need clean that can be pushed with a pedal into slight crunch. Thanks. Gary.
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