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Post by bloozeman on May 21, 2014 10:47:20 GMT -7
Im finding that I like my EZG with an open back 2x12 more than I do with the 4x10. to me, it sounds more open and breathes better with 2x12's and sounds fuller and thicker than the 4x10, the 4x10 also sounds like it has more mids and compressed to me than the 2x12. that's my take after A/B-ing the cabinets today together. could it be the stock 4x10 dr z speakers in the cabinet that makes it sound that way? I have a weber blue dog/silver bell set up in the 2x12, wondering if there would be a huge difference between the docs 10's compared to webers 10s? as of now, I think im going to pair the EZG with the 2x12's.
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Post by simpleton on May 21, 2014 10:50:24 GMT -7
Is the 4x10 open or closed?
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Post by bloozeman on May 21, 2014 10:53:50 GMT -7
Is the 4x10 open or closed? its an open backed cabinet, matched to go with the EZG head. Im thinking of swapping out the stock Z speakers and replacing with webers blue/silvers, would that help thicken up and open the sound up like the 12s?
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Post by bloozeman on May 21, 2014 11:53:10 GMT -7
I really like my weber silver bell and blue dog combination in my 12" cabinet. so im wondering if the blue pup and silver 10 would work? I also see that weber offers a "10V" which uses the blue pup paper cone and a "10 VS" which uses the silver 10 cone. both are available in 40 watts and 16 ohms. The stock Z speakers are 16 ohm and 70 watts each. would I lose a lot of headroom down grading from 70 watts to 40 watt speakers? Im not really digging the mid sound from the stock Z 10" speakers but don't want to lose any head room.
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Post by Ridgeback on May 21, 2014 12:46:18 GMT -7
We crossed responses so I didn't see the high headroom post. My wish list of speakers would not be considered high headroom except for 4 of the C10N's. I beleive that Weber makes 10" versions of both the California and the Michigan. I've heard good things over the years about both of those models in a 12" format. Keep us posted.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on May 21, 2014 13:40:21 GMT -7
If I were thinking about a 4x10 open back speaker cab for the EZG, this would be what I would love to try (all American voiced Weber speakers with their vintage Jensen equivalents): Option 1 - 2 10A125s (P10Q) or 10F125s (C10Q) + 2 10F150s (C10N) Option 2 - 1 10A100 (P10R) + 2 10A125s (P10Q) + 1 10F150 (C10N) Option 3 - 3 10F125s (C10Q) + 1 10F150 (C10N) Option 4 - 2 10A125s + 2 10F125s Option 4 - Any combination of the above types except 4 of the 10F150s or 4 of the 10A100s. bloozeman, I would definitely recommend going the Weber "American-voiced" route--they're great speakers. Much better suited for the EZG than a set of blue pups + silver tens. HOWEVER, I'd like to chime in on Ridgeback's suggestions because I myself I currently have a 2x10 with 10A125 & 10F150 mix. Sounds great, fairly mid-focused, but a LOT quieter than any of my other speaker cabs--and a little light on the lows, too. I'd be reluctant to suggest anything weaker or smaller v.c. than the 1.5" (N-style) if you're looking for headroom for sure. I currently have a 10A150T on the way to replace the 10A125 (same cone, but bigger v.c. and magnet) hoping that it'll fill in the lows and bring the volume up a bit. Perhaps I can fill you guys in on my findings once the new speaker arrives... or feel free to PM me for additional advice/questions outside the realm of this thread if necessary.
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Post by bloozeman on May 21, 2014 13:43:09 GMT -7
Im thinking the weber Chicago 10 ceramic speaker might be the best choice for replacing the stock Z speakers in my 4x10 cab. they have a higher wattage rating of 80 watts compared to the stock 70 watt, which will be good for clean headroom. heres the description from weber--
"Warmer, big bottom, lots of punch. Replacement for higher powered ceramic 10's 10", 60oz ceramic magnet, 80 watt, 2" voice coil, ribbed cone. Loud, warm, crunch and punch, later breakup."
I cant find any clips of the 10" online but did find a clip of a 12" and it sounded great, big, bold, very clean. I know there will be some difference in a 10" version. Thoughts?
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Post by Ridgeback on May 21, 2014 14:04:42 GMT -7
Interesting Mark. I included the 10F150 in the mix on my options because I thought it had the biggest and tightest bottom end (for a 10") of the ones I had personally tried. I had one in a Super Reverb reissue once and it did wonders for addding and tightening up the bass in that amp but might well be a step down when compared to the Doc's 70 watters. The EZG has so much bass on tap that I would have thought the C10N would have been a good match. Good thing I'm not in the market for a 4x10 or I'd be signing over my retirement to Weber to fund 10" speaker experimenting (again). Been there, done that, with both the SRRI and my Vicky bassman. Love Weber's speakers.
bloozman, I have always been able to trust Weber's web site for sonic descriptions in the past, especially after the speaker is well broken in.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on May 21, 2014 17:00:30 GMT -7
Signing over my retirement to experiment with speakers..? Yup, I'm there right now! I blame the CabBone, which just makes it so effortless, easy, and fun to switch back & forth.
Actually Ridgeback, I think the 150-series Webers (1.5" v.c., N-style) should just about do it for low end, but that's what I'm waiting to verify once my other one arrives. I'm optimistic it'll fill in the low end a bit more to have 2 of those, rather than a 150 and a 125, in a 2x10. (Speaker is still being built as I type this, though. Doh!)
blooze, those Chicago speakers might do exactly what you want--if anything they could be too bold as a quartet. I think the v.c. diameter (2" on the Chicago) has just as much to do with recovering low end as does the power rating (higher power handling is simply an additional benefit of the larger diameter coil). I bet they'd be monstrous sounding.. in a good way. Or if you don't go with those, I'm still of the opinion (yet to be verified) that some 10F150's would work.. or even some Emi Ragin' Cajun's.
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Post by Ridgeback on May 21, 2014 19:42:28 GMT -7
Those 10A125s (P10Q) were my favorite single Weber 10" speaker in both the SRRI and the Vicky bassman. I just like to mix up speaker types in multi speaker cabs. I'm more into 12" speakers now.
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Post by muzacman02 "Jamie" on May 22, 2014 5:51:15 GMT -7
I hear that the EZG has plenty of bass, however I used the Siverl/Blue weber 10's for along time in my super reverb, They sounded great but have flabby low end, if you go this route Pre Rola lightly the webers and they will be fine, I am currently running 2 golds in my super , it sounds so huge I sold the Silver/Blue Pup , I'd like to try the jensens or similar coupled with the golds someday,
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2014 6:15:23 GMT -7
If you like it better with the 2x12 why not just stick to it? I like the EZG a lot more trough a 2x12
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Post by bloozeman on May 22, 2014 7:02:27 GMT -7
If you like it better with the 2x12 why not just stick to it? I like the EZG a lot more trough a 2x12 Im going to stay with the 2x12 and have thought about selling the 4x10 but Im anal about equipment and that cabinet came with the amp and matches it so I know there will be that time that Im going to want the 4x10 and want it to sound as good as possible. I know, its a weird hang up.
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Post by joeellis on Aug 18, 2014 13:29:55 GMT -7
Have you ever heard Warehouse Guitar Speakers (WGS)? They are exceptional in my opinion and very reasonably priced. I've tried many, many speakers from Weber, Eminence, Celestion, Scumback Austin Speaker Works, etc. and the WGS speakers are as good as any. They only have 3 American voiced options I believe, but they also offer British voiced speakers. Good luck.
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Post by bloozeman on Aug 25, 2014 5:50:18 GMT -7
Have you ever heard Warehouse Guitar Speakers (WGS)? They are exceptional in my opinion and very reasonably priced. I've tried many, many speakers from Weber, Eminence, Celestion, Scumback Austin Speaker Works, etc. and the WGS speakers are as good as any. They only have 3 American voiced options I believe, but they also offer British voiced speakers. Good luck. I hear good things about WGS speakers. I just purchased 3 eminence texas heats last week. so far so good with my Maz Jr.
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Post by 6pack595 on Dec 25, 2014 21:21:16 GMT -7
New guy here. FWIW I run an Avitar 2x12 closed back cabinet. I have it loaded with a Weber Silver Bell Alnico and a Weber Blue Dawg Alnico, both 30 watts. So far I have played 1 gig with my cab and my EZG-50. I don't think I have ever had so many tone complements in my life at one show. The amp and cab sounded amazing together and the Z takes pedals as good or better than any amp I own! I'm loving this amp!
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Post by waka52 on Jan 4, 2015 13:09:29 GMT -7
I use the WGS-ET65 with my Z28 and it's killer with my strat and tele. If I'm playing a quieter gig I will also use that speaker with the EZG-50. Nice sound but if you have to turn it on up(loud) it will flub out somewhat. I would think 2 X 12 cab with these in it would be nice. I would definitely look at these for any of the Dr.Z EL-84 amps or the Remedy.
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Post by waka52 on Jan 4, 2015 13:11:18 GMT -7
I use the WGS-ET65 in my Z28 combo and it's killer with my strat and tele. If I'm playing a quieter gig I will also use that speaker with the EZG-50. Nice sound but if you have to turn it on up(loud) it will flub out somewhat. I would think 2 X 12 cab with these in it would be nice. I would definitely look at these for any of the Dr.Z EL-84 amps or the Remedy.
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Post by brayks on Jan 4, 2015 13:21:17 GMT -7
FWIW, I've tried all manner of speaker combo's with my EZG. Different mfg's/products, 4x10, 2x10, 2x12, open and closed back etc. For me the open-back 2x12 Celestion G12-65 config was the clear winner.
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Post by harry on Jan 8, 2015 10:14:08 GMT -7
I love the 4x10 Z open cab but have to say "Holy Hell!!!" when I run it through my Maz 38 2x12 combo! The bottom end is truly incredible...
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