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Post by LeftyLang on May 18, 2006 20:17:53 GMT -7
IMO the 45 is more Vox/HiWatt sounding with more clean headroom & high end sparkle. The 66 is thick, great mids & less high end sparkle....great compression.
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Post by myles on Jun 1, 2006 10:28:01 GMT -7
KT-45 is louder and tighter. It is about a 65 watt amp (even with that "45" in it's name).
It has more clean headroom if desired but can also sound like a Vox AC-50 and at higher levels it is much like a cranked hiwatt.
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Post by Telemanic on Aug 26, 2006 11:58:06 GMT -7
Hello Coreybox! I dont currently have a 45 but i think it may be in my future, and have played one a bit. I find the mids very nice, not scooped, but of course thers a little subjectivity there. Its got that smooth ef86 kind of thing, but is not so linear sounding like the responce of the 66. It seems to get more of that crushed glass brilliance on the top. From my limited experience with it, i found it to be cleaner louder, or longer on the volume knob. It definately is tighter sounding and feeling, and doesnt get that super touch compression early on like the 66. Its more of a laser like punch that cuts, not as wide sounding as the 66. To me, sometimes the 66 almost occupies to much of the stage freq's, i mean its always awesome, but theres times when id like to sit in a slightly narrower spot in the mix. I want to try a 45 on stage. Clean loud really whacks me more than gain loud, and i think thats one reason why it's so impressive volume wise. I say clean, but its got a nice hair to it, that increases as you crank it. I think with a brake and a great pedal it would be amazing! I'm going to have to audition one again soon.
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Post by Curt on Aug 26, 2006 13:59:23 GMT -7
My 45 should be in this week, I'll let ya know how they stack up.
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Post by skydog958 on Aug 26, 2006 14:56:24 GMT -7
the 45 definitely has grit, but it's really loud at that point. But like Myles says, it says really tight, even when it starts to compress (say when all controls are at 3 o' clock or higher with humbuckers). If you want more grit, throw on a pedal
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Post by taswegian on Aug 28, 2006 9:06:53 GMT -7
Corey, going on the "Jet" AC/DC (Both Aussie bands by the way) description I think you you'd be better looking at the SRZ65 or the 6545. I'm betting the Delta will do the ACDC thing too but the SRZ MIGHT be a bit more managable volume wise. MIGHT ;D The master is supposed to be very useful. I'm betting the SRZ gets the typical Aussie pub rock tone to the bone!
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Post by dock66 on Aug 28, 2006 12:27:09 GMT -7
SRZ can certainly do AC/DC real well and then some,IMO.With the pedals,it is a modified Marshall on steriod.
dock66
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Post by billyguitar on Aug 28, 2006 15:23:07 GMT -7
I would think the gain could easily be adjusted.
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Post by Curt on Aug 28, 2006 18:33:23 GMT -7
I would think the gain could easily be adjusted. I agree, raise the master and lower the volume for cleaner tones I'm sure like the MAZ's. I'll let ya know first hand in the Spring ;D
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Post by Curt on Aug 29, 2006 12:38:51 GMT -7
My 45 should be in this week, I'll let ya know how they stack up. Just unboxed the KT 45, I'll give you a comparo in a few day's ;D
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Post by Curt on Aug 30, 2006 13:51:24 GMT -7
Well I just took a quick test drive last night and a/b'ed them with a Lester and Tele, tried both through a V-30, Weber alnico Blue, Jensen RI P-12-Q and a Texas Heat. My KT45 came with a rec tube instead of the SS plug, has #7 EL-34 LS power tubes and sounds GREAT. Very different then the 66, a lot more sizzle on the top end, the tone controls are more active IMO, not near the mids or bottom of the 66 and a lot more on top. A lot more grind than expected ( a nice surprise). Louder than the 66 no doubt, real quick attack, less compession. Probably better suited to my style than the 66, I'll gig it next w/e with both bands and know more but as of now it's a keeper. Sounded best with the Weber alnico Blue dog, but I love that speaker with any amp I've tried.
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Post by Curt on Aug 30, 2006 19:05:26 GMT -7
Can you get the sound of the clip on the Z site? I'ver read that it doesn't have that kind of break-up...but that sounds great to me. glad you dig it! Hell no !!!! That's David Grissom !!! Yes, that grind is in mine, this is flooring me right now, may wear off. I plugged in in to my Z open back 2x12 with greenbacks tonight and WHOA !!!! That's it !!!!! I kept thinking That's IT !!! It has this grind on the sizzling top end, I can't call it distortion, it's GRIND ;D Best setting I have found is treble 2:00, bass noon and volume from 10:00 on up ;D the airbrake works awesome as well. Right now I'm in love...could turn out to be lust though. This is one heckuva gritty country amp or Albert Collins tone blues amp with a Tele...siiizzzlle, someone somewhere said "crushed glass" top end...that about sums it up.
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Post by groovergeorge on Sept 4, 2006 8:16:58 GMT -7
Hey Curt, how much did you end up paying for your 45' if that is not too personal to ask? This is killing me, I have 2 other "Z's" and it was the one that got me into the Docs amps to start with. I went with 2 lower powered babies but always wondered and hoped that one would come my way sooner rather than later. Im sitting here playing along to Pink Floyds "shine on you crazy diamond" on my strat and thinking how sweet a 45' would sound with a good booster and compressor in front...................hmmm sustain for days, I don't imagine one would even need any type of delay. Congrats on you purchase Curt. Besides the obvious volume factor I just can't understand why there isn't any more interest in what appears to be one of the best amps made in the last 30 years!!! I"m gonna get one,I'm gonna get one, one is coming down under,screw the credit card, I'm going to the bank tommorow for a limit increase.
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Post by Curt on Sept 4, 2006 10:20:52 GMT -7
George, I ebayed her for $1125, it's a MINTY 2005, as new. Like you, the KT was the first Z Doc recommended but I went through all the lower powered Z's. Thing is, thet are all great amps but I was always wanting a touch more this or that. This thing, so far, leaves me wanting nothing. Yet to gig it but next w/e is a two gig w/e so well see, new places so that will affect my findings as well. I can see this being my desert Isle amp, again, it is not for everyone. I also just picked up a locally made EL-34 amp, a Sewell "TexaPlex" that is cool, it is not exactly what I had hoped it'd be but is cool. I think the power tubes may be tired as it lacks harmonics....or the KT 45 has ruined me But I also have a new Exotic BB and it SCREAMS with the Sewell !!! Yet to try it with the KT, so far a Cheapo "Bad Monkey" wails with the KT, and is all I need with it. My debt ratio is a bit out of whack as well....but the search has been positive as of late..finally. Some gear must go soon.
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Post by bananimal on Feb 9, 2007 16:19:59 GMT -7
Would anybody care to comment on the noise-at-idle levels of these two amps? I've had the 66 for 10 months or so and just got the 45. The 66 is DEAD quiet with all the knobs turned up but the guitar muted. The same configuration on the 45 is not unreasonably noisy but nowhere near as quiet as the 66.
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Post by cashandkerouac on Feb 9, 2007 16:30:44 GMT -7
i cannot comment on the route 66 as i do not own one, but my KT-45 has no noise issues. i just got it about a week ago so we're still getting acquainted. but one of the first things i did when i got it home was play it using a variety of settings at different levels (low to cranked). even cranked i noticed no abnormal noise at idle. compared to my jcm 800 the KT-45 is super quiet. not sure if that helps, but its some feedback anyway. cheers.
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Post by Curt on Feb 9, 2007 19:47:19 GMT -7
3 R-66's and 1 KT 45, all quiet as a mouse.
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Post by skydog958 on Feb 9, 2007 21:48:52 GMT -7
I've noticed some noise with mine at higher levels, but then again I think my V1 is a tad mircophonic. Recently one output tube went bad so it might be that too.
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Post by bananimal on Feb 12, 2007 14:23:09 GMT -7
Very helpful information. Thanks to all. I'll try V1, V2 from the 66 in the 45 and see if that does the trick. And then another set of EL34s if it doesn't.
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