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Post by savage8190 on Apr 17, 2014 8:19:11 GMT -7
Been using a stock Zbest with my M12 and it just doesn't seem to have the bottom end I remember. When I had the M12 before I had the closed back 1x12 with a Gold...it seems to me that the Zbest would have more bottom end wouldn't it?
I guess it could be a number of things...could be different tubes (I dont remember what was in it before), maybe it has more to do with the pedals Im using, or maybe its just the tone of the speakers...I dunno, just sounds a bit thin.
Thoughts?
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Post by doctorice on Apr 17, 2014 8:23:20 GMT -7
Have you been gigging with the Z Best and getting to use it in a large space? It's "long throw" aspect can, I believe, make it seem bass-shy if you're up close to it.
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Post by Paul (TRANE) on Apr 17, 2014 8:27:31 GMT -7
The Z Best gets more bottom end when you place is long side down. If you stand it up (vertical) you will get less bass. First try your guitar straight into the head and try the cab vertical then keep everything the same and try it horizontal. Pick which has the best bass response. Then start adding in your other variables one at a time. That should let you see where the inflection point in bass response is most noteable.
Hope that helps.
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Post by savage8190 on Apr 17, 2014 11:18:23 GMT -7
Very helpful, both of you, thanks!
I dont gig, I practice in a small space in my place, sometimes take it out to others houses but again...smaller space so I've been wondering about this "long throw" I've read about. I've only really used it in the vertical position to save space, I'll try it on its side.
I think its probably (mostly) the speakers. Never been a big fan of either the G12H or the V30...I can definitely hear the lack of low end from that V30.
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Post by savage8190 on Apr 17, 2014 16:01:14 GMT -7
I tried flipping it on its side and that upped the bottom end a bit. I think golds are a lot warmer sounding than the v30 and g12h right? That might just be the differnece there.
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Post by iluvpunz on Apr 17, 2014 20:56:00 GMT -7
The Z Best and a 1-12 closed back are different animals. I have a Z Best and honestly, you can't really hear what the cabinet sounds like until you are 20 feet away from it. Its the best indoor gigging cabinet I own for larger rooms but I can't imagine it will reach its full potential in a small space. I have a 1-12 open back that I use in smaller clubs. A Gold is a wonderful speaker but the consensus is it sounds best open back, not in a closed back cabinet. If you are mostly playing at home or in smaller places you might want to think about a 1-12 open back. At 12 watts the M12 doesn't need a high wattage speaker and you might find more of what you are looking for with a lower wattage speaker and an open back cabinet.
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Post by Eddie on Apr 18, 2014 1:41:08 GMT -7
I would vote for tubes as the culprit. Especially if your memory is telling you that cab used to have more bottom end. Lack of low end can be a sign of power tubes needing to be replaced. I found the Z Best to have plenty of bass as you did in the past.
Let us know when you get it figured out.
Rock on, Eddie
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Post by savage8190 on Apr 18, 2014 12:06:14 GMT -7
The Z Best and a 1-12 closed back are different animals. I have a Z Best and honestly, you can't really hear what the cabinet sounds like until you are 20 feet away from it. Its the best indoor gigging cabinet I own for larger rooms but I can't imagine it will reach its full potential in a small space. I have a 1-12 open back that I use in smaller clubs. A Gold is a wonderful speaker but the consensus is it sounds best open back, not in a closed back cabinet. If you are mostly playing at home or in smaller places you might want to think about a 1-12 open back. At 12 watts the M12 doesn't need a high wattage speaker and you might find more of what you are looking for with a lower wattage speaker and an open back cabinet. I had the 1x12 with a Gold and I preferred it closed; kept the bass tighter and it still sounded really full. Actually I always prefer a closed back; I'm thinking it has more to do with the speakers than the cab. I would vote for tubes as the culprit. Especially if your memory is telling you that cab used to have more bottom end. Lack of low end can be a sign of power tubes needing to be replaced. I found the Z Best to have plenty of bass as you did in the past. Let us know when you get it figured out. Rock on, Eddie I used to use a 1x12 with a gold, now since I've gotten the head back I only have the zbest, so not the same cab in both cases. The tubes seem fine, but Im wondering if they were swapped at some point when I didnt have the head.
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Post by iluvpunz on Apr 18, 2014 18:47:11 GMT -7
The Z Best and a 1-12 closed back are different animals. I have a Z Best and honestly, you can't really hear what the cabinet sounds like until you are 20 feet away from it. Its the best indoor gigging cabinet I own for larger rooms but I can't imagine it will reach its full potential in a small space. I have a 1-12 open back that I use in smaller clubs. A Gold is a wonderful speaker but the consensus is it sounds best open back, not in a closed back cabinet. If you are mostly playing at home or in smaller places you might want to think about a 1-12 open back. At 12 watts the M12 doesn't need a high wattage speaker and you might find more of what you are looking for with a lower wattage speaker and an open back cabinet. I had the 1x12 with a Gold and I preferred it closed; kept the bass tighter and it still sounded really full. Actually I always prefer a closed back; I'm thinking it has more to do with the speakers than the cab. I would vote for tubes as the culprit. Especially if your memory is telling you that cab used to have more bottom end. Lack of low end can be a sign of power tubes needing to be replaced. I found the Z Best to have plenty of bass as you did in the past. Let us know when you get it figured out. Rock on, Eddie I used to use a 1x12 with a gold, now since I've gotten the head back I only have the zbest, so not the same cab in both cases. The tubes seem fine, but Im wondering if they were swapped at some point when I didnt have the head. If ya like it, ya like it. There isn't any right or wrong as far open or closed back. I have an old well broken in Vintage 30 and a Greenback in my Z Best and I often find myself dialing the bass way back with my Remedy. If your speakers in the Z Best are newer you will have a hard time getting them broken in with the M12. Not enough wattage. The Vintage 30 may sound middy and spiky until it is good and loose.
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Post by savage8190 on Apr 19, 2014 17:46:35 GMT -7
Yeah I used to have a 4x12 with V30's from the early 90's. Those sounded pretty kick arse...I dont have the patience to break a V30 in like that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 11:10:48 GMT -7
Yeah I used to have a 4x12 with V30's from the early 90's. Those sounded pretty kick arse...I dont have the patience to break a V30 in like that. The M-12 Does sound best IMO with the Gold. I have Tried a Z best Doc 2x10 and added a Blue with the Gold which also sounds great. I like my Remedy with the Gold but not when I added the Blue. Gook Luck.
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Post by ghostdriver on Jun 15, 2014 5:23:58 GMT -7
I don't think its a cabinet or speaker problem. Nor do I think its the small room because I use my Z Best at home in a small room as well with the same speakers you have and its got tons of bottom end. In fact I've thought about plugging a few of the ports to try tame the bass a little. If you're lacking bass from a Z Best you better check your settings at the amp.
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Post by bluzman on Jun 15, 2014 19:48:29 GMT -7
I gave my bass playah a scratch and dent Z-Best a few years back. He loaded it with some old RCF bass drivers.
That cab will rattle your mid-section!
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