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Post by skinvoyager on Mar 6, 2014 13:56:25 GMT -7
Anyone had good experience with a reverb pedal in front of the Z-28? The Z-Verb, while sweet, is really not an option. I need a standard sized pedal, so those outboard spring reverbs won't work.
I've tried a few in the past (TC Hall of Fame, Earthquake Devices Dispatch Master, a few others) and the tail of the effect always seems to reveal itself as digital. It's like the decay sounds good at first, but as it dies I hear a subtle modulation effect. I'm a fan of the classic Fender spring sound, but I also like the 80s plate reverb.
Thoughts?
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Post by southmusic70 on Mar 6, 2014 14:39:03 GMT -7
I like the Holy Grail, but I only use a little for ambience and am certainly no expert.
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Post by pcns on Mar 6, 2014 14:50:18 GMT -7
I have an M9 that use, worked great with my Z28 as did a Holy Grail. Todd
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Post by Ridgeback on Mar 6, 2014 16:08:47 GMT -7
I've used an RV-5 for several years when playing out but not at any extreme settings. Very flexible and no complaints. I do use the Z-verb at home however. Obviously not in the same league as the pedal. I get to play the EZG our for the first time tonight so I don't even need to take the RV-5 along.
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Post by bluzman on Mar 6, 2014 16:29:11 GMT -7
I have a Little Lanelei real spring reverb. When I use it, it will be on all the time for the most part, but I keep it on top of the amp last in line due to it's size and can switch it on/off if need be or make adjustments. Holy Grails are great too... even the HG Nano, but a friend of mine is hooked on the Biyang pedals and their Tri-Reverb sounds as good or even better than the HG for less dough. I dug playing with it.
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Post by "Z" Steve on Mar 6, 2014 17:09:13 GMT -7
I have a Dr. Scientist Red Reverberator - a bit pricey but nice options and sounds great. Not shown is the Leslie sim.
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Post by nmz on Mar 6, 2014 17:56:39 GMT -7
Dude get a WET, perfect size and sounds great with all of my Z's. I have been using it for years and it always delivers. Not a spring but a killer plate, does good subtle and gets 100% wet.
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Post by bigben55 on Mar 6, 2014 18:39:35 GMT -7
Reverb USED to be a must have for me. Honestly, with the Z28, I don't miss it so much. But, when I have $300 in "blow it" money, I'm getting a Strymon Flint. Killer reverb and tremolo in a single stompbox. I've yet to hear anyone not love it. Good clips on their website.
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Post by randalp3000 on Mar 6, 2014 21:07:06 GMT -7
Neunaber Mono Wet was the final one for me. Simple, easy to use and sits perfectly in the mix. I've been through the HOF, Cusack(2nd fave), EHX, and the Wampler. I just paid way too much for a V2b with switchable buffer to replace my V3 even tho I never turn it off.
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Post by nicholas on Mar 6, 2014 22:29:02 GMT -7
Another vote for the Neunaber WET. I have the stereo one cause it has an added knob for the tone of the verb. I use it mono though. In front, in the loop.... best verb pedal I've tried and I've tried many. It's pretty incredible really.
I have mine hooked up to an expression pedal. I use it to control the mix. Go from subtle to crazy with the rocker. Really cool pedal.
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Post by strat59 on Mar 7, 2014 5:45:18 GMT -7
For getting plate and spring type sounds I'm using Mad Professor silver spring reverb pedal. It doesn't measure up to my Fender reverb unit (reissue) that I sold, but sounds pretty good especially the plate. I mostly use just a touch of reverb anyway.
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Post by Christopher on Mar 7, 2014 7:02:30 GMT -7
I like my '28 without it. I have run in the past EH Holy Grail +, Blue Sky, Dr. Scientist Reverberator and the HOF. To me the amp sounds best without it.
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Post by Sean on Mar 7, 2014 7:58:38 GMT -7
I have a Flint on one board and a Trinity on the other. Would be glad to put the phone on the floor and demo something if you want.
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Post by digs57 on Mar 7, 2014 8:41:03 GMT -7
bought one o those lil boss/fenders...its alright for a little ambience
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Post by hymns on Mar 7, 2014 13:18:36 GMT -7
I use a Flint and it is awesome. I'm planning on getting a wet to but for a different amp. It's a great reverb also and small enough to install in back of a head.
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Post by tdap on Mar 7, 2014 13:39:37 GMT -7
EH really brought out some great shades. I quit using a delay pedal with my Z28, just didn't sound right.
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Post by Joey Beverages on Mar 7, 2014 16:39:42 GMT -7
Been quite content to run my Z-28 sans reverb since the day I got it ..... so I am kinda following this thread to see if'n I am missing something. cheers always, eh Joel
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Post by jaysalp on Mar 7, 2014 17:05:53 GMT -7
Boss FRV-1 - Just got my z28 head and the frv-1 sounds insane through the z28's front end, and almost lol the amp had a fender reverb tank!
To be honest I don't think you could tell the difference in a blindfold test as the z28 really absorbs pedals well...
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Post by jaysalp on Mar 7, 2014 17:06:58 GMT -7
Or at least the audience would not be able to tell!!
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Post by digs57 on Mar 7, 2014 23:55:36 GMT -7
xactly
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Post by skinvoyager on Mar 10, 2014 20:53:56 GMT -7
Wow thanks everyone. Looks like I've got some pedals to try. I've heard of all of them but wanted to hear some real-world experience with the Z-28, so thanks.
I do agree the amp sounds great without it. But I'm a sucker for tremolo, slap back and reverb...and the first two are covered.
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Post by waynelawkid on Mar 15, 2014 18:35:02 GMT -7
I use an early silver box Wampler Faux Spring Reverb in front of my Z28 and could not be happier.
FWIW I prefer it over the reverb on my Maz 8 reverb as well. Just a killer pedal. Extremely realistic.
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Post by skinvoyager on Mar 18, 2014 13:41:53 GMT -7
May have to try the Wampler. For as good a Z amps are, the Maz reverb is ...not so good.
I tried out a Carl Martin Headroom real spring reverb this week. No thanks. I love CM stuff (the Plexitone is amazing) but with the reverb past 12 it got REALLY noisy. I was very disappointed. Sounds like some of the digital pedals may be better than the real thing. But I've yet to try one that feels 100% a part of the tone.
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Post by waynelawkid on Mar 18, 2014 18:59:10 GMT -7
May have to try the Wampler. For as good a Z amps are, the Maz reverb is ...not so good. I tried out a Carl Martin Headroom real spring reverb this week. No thanks. I love CM stuff (the Plexitone is amazing) but with the reverb past 12 it got REALLY noisy. I was very disappointed. Sounds like some of the digital pedals may be better than the real thing. But I've yet to try one that feels 100% a part of the tone. For me, I just needed a bit more depth to the verb than what was on board with my Maz. In fairness to the Maz, more than can be expected out of a combo. The Wampler just kills it. It is BY FAR my single "desert island" pedal. I presume the newer production models have the same circuitry, but I always like to think that the early stuff sounds better.
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Post by nmz on Mar 19, 2014 0:08:41 GMT -7
Dude get a WET.
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Post by greenblues58 on Mar 19, 2014 2:16:23 GMT -7
I have the CM headroom and an older silver wampler but prefer the headroom into the loop in my maz. What sort of noise did you experience as mine is silent but into the front,regardless of settings,introduces a bit of hiss but nothing you can't live with. Prefer it in the loop as less effect on the reverb level with various guitar volume control levels.
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Post by skinvoyager on Mar 19, 2014 8:11:42 GMT -7
I put the Headroom in front of the amp (obviously no loop on the Z28) and as soon as I get the reverb past noon, there's a HUGE influx of noise. If I take it to 3:00 it actually starts feeding back, as if it was adding a lot of gain. This is with the Z-28 set perfectly clean at bedroom volume.
I watched a few videos of the WET pedal, and like I said I've tried several high-end digital reverb pedals. The one thing they all have in common to me is that the reverb doesn't seem to be a part of the tone--it's removed from the original signal, if that makes sense.
This is most noticable when playing staccato parts. Every pedal I've tried seems to have a predelay that can't be dialed out-almost like a slapback echo effect. I noticed this on Frankie Star's WET video with the Z28.
On several pedals, I also notice a subtle modulation effect as the reverb trails off.
By comparison, the reverb on my Fender Blues Jr. just feels like it's part of the tone. It melts in with the original signal, no matter how much reverb is added. When I use pedals, it seems like the original signal is floating on top of the reverb at low settings, and at higher settings it turns to mush and that modulation effect becomes more prominent.
So far I've actually played through a Hall of Fame, Eternity, Dispatch Master, Holy Grail, and Flynt. None of them blew me away.
I'll order a WET and a Wampler and see what happens.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Mar 19, 2014 11:18:00 GMT -7
This is why I stopped using reverb on amps without an FX loop - you just have to have reverb after the preamp IMHO, in every scenario, even clean. I'm not that fond of delay in front either, but I can live with that. That being said, I would rather do without both than lose my Z28 or Remedy...... One way around this I use when I need to (usually when playing inside an acoustically dead space like a marquee) is to add some 'verb to my signal in the PA, and then send some signal back through the monitors. It sounds better than a pedal in front of the amp. OR, you could do Dave Baker's trick....... but that seems a bit excessive for us weekend warriors, not to mention expensive
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Post by skinvoyager on Mar 19, 2014 12:38:45 GMT -7
Interesting Pete. For me though, I only want to add reverb for a handful of songs, and only on clean tones. It's something I could certainly live without. I agree--so far, in my experience, it doesn't sound real in front of the amp.
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Post by southmusic70 on Mar 19, 2014 13:45:53 GMT -7
Skin,
It's like a lot of the other stuff that we all talk about here: we"re the only ones who can tell the difference, sadly.
South
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