ThemBones
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Post by ThemBones on Jan 21, 2014 7:18:35 GMT -7
OK I am running M12 - stock tubes Avatar 2X12 with two greenbacks It is a larger Avatar with an oval in the back.
I use my Jazzmaster a lot lately, but I have a Gretsch G5420T, Les Paul and Tele I can use also.
Catalinbread DLS MK3 sounds just a little harsh, I think I have it dialed in but it still has a little harsh-side, maybe internal presence? Mojohand Rook also seems to get a little congested sounding, I am using the up position on the toggle. I may need to go to middle.
I can throw Boss RV5 on Modulate or ElecLady Flanger or Boss CE-2 etc at this thing all day and it sounds really good but I am having a hard time with distortion/drive.
Just seeing if anyone else has had this.
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Post by savage8190 on Jan 21, 2014 12:38:25 GMT -7
I tried a lot of drive pedals and they all sounded great...admittedly, not those two in particular though.
I found the amp a little harsh in general with the stock greenback though, I really only came to LOVE the amp once I paired it with the Celestion Gold. I would describe it as sort of congested and thin sounding with the Green. Do you have another cab you could try it with?
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Post by ThemBones on Jan 21, 2014 12:59:28 GMT -7
I tried a lot of drive pedals and they all sounded great...admittedly, not those two in particular though. I found the amp a little harsh in general with the stock greenback though, I really only came to LOVE the amp once I paired it with the Celestion Gold. I would describe it as sort of congested and thin sounding with the Green. Do you have another cab you could try it with? I do not. I actually really like the clean sound. I also do not know for sure that the greenbacks are broken in yet. I also may need to start saving up for some golds...
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Post by savage8190 on Jan 21, 2014 20:09:07 GMT -7
I liked the clean with the Greens too, but the drive was kind of thin to me. The Golds warmed it up a lot and thickened up the drive.
Maybe give it a go with another drive pedal and see if you have the same feeling?
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Post by sixstringbelief on Jan 21, 2014 22:59:37 GMT -7
I'm running my M12 into an avatar cabinet with eminence legends in it... I had intended to replace them with celestions but they actually sound really good. Okay, so concerning the use of pedals with the M12.... I find this amp to be the PERFECT platform for pedals. Makes sense being as though it was developed to be used as a "pedal amp." I play worship music so I use a lot of delay / echo and light to medium overdrive. Currently I'm using a Jetter gold standard for drive and an Empress tape delay. I also have a Cusack more louder boost that works well with the amp. I absolutely love mine.
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Post by Jefferson on Jan 22, 2014 21:16:57 GMT -7
Do you have the amp itself on the high or low setting? I way prefer the low with distortions...
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Post by ThemBones on Jan 24, 2014 6:18:52 GMT -7
Do you have the amp itself on the high or low setting? I way prefer the low with distortions... Honestly I am using High Input. I may try low but that high is so sparkly and pretty sounding.
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Post by dcam34 on Jan 26, 2014 9:49:55 GMT -7
I might be thinking too simplistic but have you made adjustments on the guitar vol/tone knobs?
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Post by ThemBones on Jan 26, 2014 11:50:22 GMT -7
I might be thinking too simplistic but have you made adjustments on the guitar vol/tone knobs? Yeah, i also just changed tubes. Dario miniwatt ef86 and old telefunken 12ax7. There was i think amprex ef86 and sovtek 12ax7lps in there. Sounds better now, i dare say much better.
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Post by Abandoned on Jan 26, 2014 17:45:06 GMT -7
ThemBonesI honestly really like both the HI and LO input settings. The HI input has more highs and sparkly highs in it for sure, and a more strong big amp low end. The LO input is less efficient in the lows and highs. I personally have been using the LO input much more lately as I can run the volume much higher and my overdrive pedal's tone is much warmer and kinda fatter in a sense - not to be confused with bigger sounding. I like the more rounded sound the LO input gives me with my overdrive tone (HBOD pedal). Anyways - I said all that to say, if you feel like the M12 is harsh with OD pedals, try the LO input, I think it may be just right ticket. If you feel like you lost too much sparkle - you can compensate by raising the treble knob. I agree that the HI input is very sparkly and and pretty sounding. I also roll my guitar volume and tone down some for overdrive tones for some natural treble roll-off.
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Post by mazmaster on Jan 28, 2014 20:21:43 GMT -7
Oval-backed cabs do tend to be a little brighter than others but I'd try G12-65s or WGS Blackhawk HPs and swap out the EH-EL84s for JJs. And, don't be afraid to simply turn the treble down. The amp sounds amazingly clear down to very low settings on that knob. Oh, I have tried both HI and LO switch settings for extended periods at gigs and have always ended up back at the HI setting due to the extra "chirp" and dynamics you get with Dumble-style pedals, as can be heard in the clip below at around 0:40 through the end. soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=11793615
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Post by ThemBones on Jan 29, 2014 14:25:30 GMT -7
Oval-backed cabs do tend to be a little brighter than others but I'd try G12-65s or WGS Blackhawk HPs and swap out the EH-EL84s for JJs. And, don't be afraid to simply turn the treble down. The amp sounds amazingly clear down to very low settings on that knob. Oh, I have tried both HI and LO switch settings for extended periods at gigs and have always ended up back at the HI setting due to the extra "chirp" and dynamics you get with Dumble-style pedals, as can be heard in the clip below at around 0:40 through the end. soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=11793615G12-65 is the Creamback right? I am tempted to get some Alnicos but ugh the money! Nice clip, I am guessing that was a M12? What was the dumble style pedal? What speakers? Good suggestion on EL84s I bet these are probably on their last leg anyway.
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Post by ThemBones on Feb 4, 2014 6:46:53 GMT -7
Oval-backed cabs do tend to be a little brighter than others but I'd try G12-65s or WGS Blackhawk HPs and swap out the EH-EL84s for JJs. And, don't be afraid to simply turn the treble down. The amp sounds amazingly clear down to very low settings on that knob. Oh, I have tried both HI and LO switch settings for extended periods at gigs and have always ended up back at the HI setting due to the extra "chirp" and dynamics you get with Dumble-style pedals, as can be heard in the clip below at around 0:40 through the end. soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=11793615Mazmaster what do you think about this one: wgs4.com/content/et65 - 12" ET65 - 65 Watts Is that a Creamback clone? Price is much more manageable there.
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Post by Maddog on Feb 4, 2014 6:59:57 GMT -7
I too didn't like the stock greenie. I also switched to the Gold.....I'll never change; perfect match!
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Feb 4, 2014 9:01:51 GMT -7
Mazmaster what do you think about this one: wgs4.com/content/et65 - 12" ET65 - 65 Watts Is that a Creamback clone? Price is much more manageable there. No, the commonly-called Celestion "G12-65" is not the "Creamback", but rather a higher-power derivitave of the Greenback with a larger dust-cap introduced in the late '70s. But Celestion isn't helping the situation by putting the numbers "G12M-65" on the Creamback (notice the extra "M" in there), which only adds to the confusion. In essence, though: Celestion Heritage G12-65 = WGS ET65 Celestion G12M-65 Creamback = WGS Invader 50 ...or close enough, considering that the WGS ones are "clones" of the Celestions but not totally identical. (Actually, WGS had their Invader 50 before Celestion released their Creamback, so which one's really the clone now?) Hope this helps, though.
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Post by ThemBones on Feb 4, 2014 9:09:37 GMT -7
Mazmaster what do you think about this one: wgs4.com/content/et65 - 12" ET65 - 65 Watts Is that a Creamback clone? Price is much more manageable there. No, the commonly-called Celestion "G12-65" is not the "Creamback", but rather a higher-power derivitave of the Greenback with a larger dust-cap introduced in the late '70s. But Celestion isn't helping the situation by putting the numbers "G12M-65" on the Creamback (notice the extra "M" in there), which only adds to the confusion. In essence, though: Celestion Heritage G12-65 = WGS ET65 Celestion G12M-65 Creamback = WGS Invader 50 ...or close enough, considering that the WGS ones are "clones" of the Celestions but not totally identical. (Actually, WGS had their Invader 50 before Celestion released their Creamback, so which one's really the clone now?) Hope this helps, though. So, I will confuse myself even further. Isn't there some kind of G1265T or something? I think I had a few of those and did not care for them at all. Would that ET65 or Invader 50 be a good choice or is saving up the pennies for a Gold the better choice?
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Feb 4, 2014 9:54:54 GMT -7
There might've been a "T" speaker at some point, but I'm not familiar with it. (I think they had a 10-in. "T" speaker at some point.) Talk about confusion, though—there is also now a "G12H-75 Creamback" that's causing even more confusion. But I digress...
To answer your question, I didn't really like the G12 Gold with my M12—I found it a little too hi-fi and maybe too sparkly on the highs. (Same thing with the G12 Blue, believe it or not. But I love the Blue with my MAZ 18.) I've currently got my M12 paired with a 12" Tone Tubby alnico, which seems pretty darned good; although I do have an ET65 and have been meaning to try it out with the M12 anyday now.
To my ears, the M12 is lacking maybe a little in the bass, which might explain why I like the fuller-sounding TT speaker with it. But I know the ET65 has some pretty full lows, and isn't "sparkly" at all, so I'm curious about that one. If I get the chance to swap those speakers soon, I'll let you know my sonic opinions.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Apr 4, 2014 9:30:04 GMT -7
^ Months-later follow-up report:
I did, in fact, try the WGS ET65 in a 1×12 open-back cab with my M12, and really really liked it--much more natural fit than the TT. Warm, full lows, but without the TT's lower-mid bump that I keep hearing. So, +1 to the ET65 over the TT.
More recently have switched to a Scumback M75-PVC with my M12, and liking that too. But it's definitely a more "vintage" speaker; if you're using pedals and looking to keep things as smooth & un-harsh as possible, then I'd still recommend the ET65. It wasn't until very high volume settings of the M12 (slight jangle-y breakup) where the M75-PVC stood out above the ET65 for it's breakup character. But the ET65 is one of the best all-around British-style speakers I've tried.
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Post by dolan on Jun 1, 2014 15:28:58 GMT -7
I have a 12" G12M Creamback in my combo. I was messing with some boost pedals today, and almost all of them added extreme harmonics. I couldn't believe it. I've been in love with this amp since I got it a couple of weeks ago, but man I could not stand it. Instant headache. My normal rig is a TRRI, so I'm used to bright but this is over the top. I was playing on the low channel with a strat. Bass around 11:00, treble about 9:30. I cannot imagine what it would have sounded like on the high channel.
I still like this amp, but the reason why I bought it was so I could run my more or less what I would through the twin at a reasonable volume. It looks like I may have to alter my pedalboard a bit if I want to use it with both amps.
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Post by Jefferson on Jun 1, 2014 22:53:26 GMT -7
Turn the knobbies on the amp and pedals with eyes closed and ears open. I usually run mine with bass at 1:00 and treble at 11:00...
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Post by petez on Jun 16, 2014 4:15:55 GMT -7
I have a 12" G12M Creamback in my combo. I was messing with some boost pedals today, and almost all of them added extreme harmonics. I couldn't believe it. I've been in love with this amp since I got it a couple of weeks ago, but man I could not stand it. Instant headache. My normal rig is a TRRI, so I'm used to bright but this is over the top. I was playing on the low channel with a strat. Bass around 11:00, treble about 9:30. I cannot imagine what it would have sounded like on the high channel. I still like this amp, but the reason why I bought it was so I could run my more or less what I would through the twin at a reasonable volume. It looks like I may have to alter my pedalboard a bit if I want to use it with both amps. I found the same things as you initially with the cream back and it really improved with a few months of heavy use when it was worn in a lot more. I play on the high channel with the bass around 1.30 and the treble at 11 o clock. My strat has john mayer big dipper pickups that has a scooped midrange so the high frequencies seem more pronounced.
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Post by dolan on Jun 21, 2014 10:53:10 GMT -7
Thanks, petez. Hopefully my creamback mellows out a bit too.
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Post by dolan on Jul 3, 2014 21:52:50 GMT -7
I finally traced my problem back to microphonic EF68. Humbucker Music sent me a replacement tube, but it sounds even worse. I don't think I can deal with it. Even if I can finally get a good tube, I don't want to go through this every time it goes out.
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Post by Jefferson on Jul 3, 2014 22:37:23 GMT -7
Modern EF86's are notoriously bad. Get a Dario mini watt and then u can relax.
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Post by dolan on Jul 4, 2014 7:29:06 GMT -7
I can't find a Dario EF86 anywhere. I even tried eBay.
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Post by jesslm02 on Jul 4, 2014 17:44:00 GMT -7
Rft ef86 through thetubestore.com. I've used Tesla ef806 (not JJ) and they are pretty rugged and sound good.
Sent from my Galaxy S4 using Proboards
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Jul 4, 2014 18:55:52 GMT -7
Rft ef86 through thetubestore.com. I've used Tesla ef806 (not JJ) and they are pretty rugged and sound good. Sent from my Galaxy S4 using Proboards ^ Two of the best options still available on the market right now for EF86-type tubes. You gotta go NOS for this type of tube.
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Post by Jefferson on Jul 6, 2014 22:25:09 GMT -7
I can't find a Dario EF86 anywhere. I even tried eBay. Try hi test guitars in NJ or mike at KCA NOS tubes...
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Post by dolan on Jul 8, 2014 2:51:37 GMT -7
KCA is sold out, but I found one on eBay. It should be here Thursday.
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