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Post by jimmydeez on Nov 16, 2013 6:57:11 GMT -7
Just got my M12 head in blackout from Humbucker.
Love it so far. Might be my favorite clean tone ever. I have it running through a small tweed style cab with a Hellatone 30 in it. I really like the sound I'm getting. Just looking for a little more.
So I ordered a small 1x12 cab to match the one I have. Going to make an M12 mini stack. I think it is going to look awesome. Anyway what speaker should I get. Should I go with another Hellatone? I was thinking of going with a Retro or Veteran 30 from WGS to sort mimic that matchless/badcat/zbest speaker mixing. Thoughts?
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Post by Maddog on Nov 16, 2013 7:06:29 GMT -7
Dude....if ya got the coin, the Celestion Gold, IMHO, is superior to the other speakers you mentioned in the M12. I used a well-Broken-in G12H30 (think yer Hellatone 30) and also a 20 watt Cel Greenback.....switched to the Gold at the strong recommendation of others and am there to stay. M12 and the Gold; One of the absolute best combinations in the amp world today....
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Post by Jefferson on Nov 16, 2013 10:49:35 GMT -7
The gold is certainly my fave, although a very close second is a celestion creamback. The gold is a 100 db speaker and the creamback is a 97 db speaker. Not sure about the hellatone, but I would be inclined to pick the one that most closely matches the db rating of the hellatone. Either one would be a terrific choice...
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Post by jimmydeez on Nov 17, 2013 14:28:53 GMT -7
Looks like the Gold is the perfect match. It is even 100dbs like the Hellatone. It like having the option of running just 1x12 or both 1x12s.
But man that is going to hurt the saving account. I need to see if I can find a used Gold somewhere.
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Post by Rich (fbb90) on Nov 17, 2013 14:49:57 GMT -7
I really like the Gold w/ the M12, too. Another that's been getting some time w/ my head is the G12-65. I use my M12 less as a pedal platform, and I like to crank it up a bit. The G12-65 sounds pretty good w/ the amp hopped-up a bit.
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Post by rickc007 on Nov 17, 2013 15:43:16 GMT -7
Creamback fan here, liked it better than the Gold, and I'm a huge Gold fan, have one in the Stangray
Like the mids the M12 has, and the Creamback shines
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Nov 17, 2013 17:34:32 GMT -7
I like the Blue in it--but sorry man, it ain't cheap either. The Gold is nice too, but seems to have bigger lows and is slightly louder, too. You know what, if you want to keep it reasonably priced AND sounding good, just go with a regular ol' G12M Greenback. The Doc puts these stock in the M12 combo, and I think it would be my next choice if I couldn't use the Blue with it.
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Post by jimmydeez on Nov 17, 2013 20:02:31 GMT -7
Creamback fan here, liked it better than the Gold, and I'm a huge Gold fan, have one in the Stangray Like the mids the M12 has, and the Creamback shines So what is the deal with the creamback? How does it compare to the G12H30, V30, or the Gold. I hadn't heard if it before.
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Post by crabby on Dec 12, 2013 20:29:52 GMT -7
I have a blue with mine. So sweet sounding!
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Post by heynewguy (Ol’ Bill) on Dec 13, 2013 4:39:37 GMT -7
I have a blue with mine. So sweet sounding! Absolutely!
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Post by Jefferson on Dec 13, 2013 9:02:23 GMT -7
Creamback fan here, liked it better than the Gold, and I'm a huge Gold fan, have one in the Stangray Like the mids the M12 has, and the Creamback shines So what is the deal with the creamback? How does it compare to the G12H30, V30, or the Gold. I hadn't heard if it before. The creamback, to my ear, sort of combines the punchiness of a greenback and the lush creaminess of a gold into one package. The lows are nice and focused but not boomy. the mids are creamy and the top end is sparkly without being shrill. It really does remind me of everything i like about the gold but with added punchiness on the bottom end. Maybe best of all is the fact that you get all of this with a 97DB rating. that means that the perceived volume is only about 60% of what you would get with a blue or a gold. Great speaker that creamback. Best speaker celestion has put out since the Gold IMHO.
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Post by crxsh on Dec 13, 2013 13:40:56 GMT -7
Can anyone comment on Red Fang vs. Weber Blue Dog (alnico) in the M12?
I've always heard good things about the Fang... but I had a Blue Dog in my Maz 8 and liked that quite a bit.
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Post by pmp on Jan 3, 2014 10:15:02 GMT -7
Hi Guys,
This is my first post as a new member of this forum. Really exited about M12 and probably will be my next amp. But the speaker choice puzzles me. If I buy a combo (which I prefer) the Greenback is installed by default but it's also available with Alnico Blue. And if I choose Head + Cab there are even more choices with Dr. Z: 1x12" with V30, 2x12" with V30/G12H and 2x10". I mainly use it as a clean platform for different dirt pedals at low volume levels. Can you describe differences between those speaker elements?
Cheers,
PMP
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Post by Jefferson on Jan 3, 2014 13:45:31 GMT -7
the greenback is a great all around rock n roll speaker. so much of the vintage rock tunes that many of us from the rock n roll era grew up on were recorded with greenbacks. the V30 can be a little mid/upper end spikey, at least until it is extremely well broken in or used in a cab like a port city wave cab that is tuned to help it. The G12H is a great speaker, but i find it really bottom heavy, almost boomy. It pairs really nicely with the V30 in a 2x12 because they accentuate different things.
The alnico speakers like a blue and gold are truly amazing in my opinion. so lush and creamy and with a sparkly top end. the only complaint most guys have with the blue is the bottom end is pretty anemic. hence the creation of the gold. much of whats good about the blue, but with more bottom end. Lots of guys use these for vox type amps because of that amazing top end. both are 100db speakers, so they are gonna be loud.
not to beat a dead horse, but the one speaker that i think would work best for you, given your low volume needs is the celestion creamback. as i stated above, its got all the lushness of the blue but with better low end response and is rated for 97 db. that is a LOT quieter than the blue, gold, V30 or G12H. Oh, and its about $100 cheaper than the blue or gold.
hope this helps.
welcome to the forum!
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Post by pmp on Jan 3, 2014 14:06:44 GMT -7
Great review "jrudder", thanks! I think the greenback is a safe choice for me to start with it.
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Post by savage8190 on Jan 4, 2014 14:22:23 GMT -7
I was disappointed with the M12 with the stock Greenback. When I put the Gold in mine is just came to life. When I can afford an M12 again I will definitely get another Gold...you've got to try it out.
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Post by ThemBones on Jan 6, 2014 11:54:04 GMT -7
I have an avatar 2x12 with two greenbacks and am really happy with them.
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Post by jesslm02 on Jan 7, 2014 17:40:12 GMT -7
I want to try a creamback myself. That said, a Blue or Gold sounds real nice. Also the M75 Scumback sounds great as well.
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Post by mazmaster on Jan 9, 2014 19:36:26 GMT -7
Celestion G12-65
WGS Blackhawk HP
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Post by shelby003 on Feb 12, 2014 13:21:48 GMT -7
I have a Weber blue dog in mine that I really like!
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Feb 12, 2014 13:41:55 GMT -7
I like the Blue in it--but sorry man, it ain't cheap either. The Gold is nice too, but seems to have bigger lows and is slightly louder, too. You know what, if you want to keep it reasonably priced AND sounding good, just go with a regular ol' G12M Greenback. The Doc puts these stock in the M12 combo, and I think it would be my next choice if I couldn't use the Blue with it. Couple months later report.... My G12 Blue is now paired with the MAZ 18 Jr., which I think pairs better with it than the M12. My M12 is now going through the Tone Tubby Red Alnico (which, ironically, had been paired with the MAZ) but I hope to try the WGS ET65 (G12-65 clone) and/or the Weber 10A125/10F150 cabinets with it soon. Will provide an update when I have the opportunity to compare all of 'em.
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Post by ThemBones on Feb 15, 2014 6:46:22 GMT -7
I like the Blue in it--but sorry man, it ain't cheap either. The Gold is nice too, but seems to have bigger lows and is slightly louder, too. You know what, if you want to keep it reasonably priced AND sounding good, just go with a regular ol' G12M Greenback. The Doc puts these stock in the M12 combo, and I think it would be my next choice if I couldn't use the Blue with it. Couple months later report.... My G12 Blue is now paired with the MAZ 18 Jr., which I think pairs better with it than the M12. My M12 is now going through the Tone Tubby Red Alnico (which, ironically, had been paired with the MAZ) but I hope to try the WGS ET65 (G12-65 clone) and/or the Weber 10A125/10F150 cabinets with it soon. Will provide an update when I have the opportunity to compare all of 'em. Really interested to hear back about the wgs et65
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Mar 5, 2014 15:42:29 GMT -7
Really interested to hear back about the wgs et65 Okay.. I got to try the WGS ET65 with the M12. I love it! Love it, love it, love it. (With the M12 specifically, that is.) Initially, I had the M12 with a G12 Blue, but that ended up underneath my MAZ, a pairing that liked much better. So then my MAZ's Tone Tubby came out and went underneath my M12—better (lots more lows than the Blue), but not perfect; the mids didn't match properly. Which led me to A/B/C the Tone Tubby, ET65, and a Hellatone 30 (what the heck, right?.. but I'm glad I did.. read on) all with the M12. [Side note: "Hellatone 30" = aged & broken-in Celestion G12H-30 Anniv.]I find the ET65 to embody practically all the "positives" of both the Tone Tubby and the Hellatone 30, but fewer of the negatives of either. The midrange of the ET65 is fuller and more musical than that of the Hellatone, but it still has that clarity and paper-y British crunch; on the flip-side, it's got all the clean, round, warmth of the Tone Tubby without that weird lower-mid hump that I keep hearing in the TT. Executive summary: the WGS ET65 is my favorite speaker yet with the M12, and I'd be perfectly happy to just leave them paired up. ( Except that I have one last contender on its way... a 20W Scumback M75-PVC, whose reputation precedes it in my stable of speakers. More on that when it arrives.)
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Post by Abandoned on Mar 28, 2014 17:38:41 GMT -7
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Glad to hear you found something you liked.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Apr 4, 2014 9:44:43 GMT -7
Executive summary: the WGS ET65 is my favorite speaker yet with the M12, and I'd be perfectly happy to just leave them paired up. ( Except that I have one last contender on its way... a 20W Scumback M75-PVC, whose reputation precedes it in my stable of speakers. More on that when it arrives.) Follow-up report: I've had a chance with my CabBone to A/B the Scumback M75-PVC vs. the ET65 in identical 1×12 open-back cabs and I think it's even a slightly better fit for the M12. The M75-PVC is very much like a ceramic-magnet Blue, if you can imagine that: a little lacking in the lows but not terribly so (just like the Blue or any G12M-style speaker); however its mids & upper-mids are beautiful--as they are in every Scumback I've tried. And it's a fairly quiet (low efficiency) speaker, too. Doc definitely got it right to pair the M12 with a Greenback in stock form, or the Blue as an upgrade--and this one seems right between those two, sonically. Big thumbs up and Honorable Mention to the ET65, as it's a great speaker, but I think the M75-PVC will stay with the M12 now. Besides, it has to--'cause I'll fry the fragile paper voice coil if I try pushing much more wattage into it in a 1×12.
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Post by dolan on May 25, 2014 19:09:00 GMT -7
I got the Creamback with my 1x12 combo and I absolutely love it. It's not as efficient as the Celestion Alnicos, but I bought I bought this for home use and it's plenty loud for that. I think the Creamback is really well balanced and warm, but still has plenty of chime on the top end, especially as you crank the amp up.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on May 26, 2014 7:54:46 GMT -7
Creamback would probably be great, too--it's like the standard (Chinese-manufactured) G12M Greenback, but "better."
In my more recent experience, the greenback-variant speakers have proven to by my favorite matches with the M12. My top 3 so far have been the M75-PVC (an original-style greenback clone), the WGS ET-65, and even the G10 Greenback. (Notice they're all "small magnet" ceramic speakers with the british cone.) Unfortunately I didn't have my M12 when I had the Creamback, but I did A/B it vs. the standard G12M Greenback and liked the Creamback a little better all-around.
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