ThemBones
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Post by ThemBones on Oct 23, 2013 13:27:57 GMT -7
I am on the hunt for a Dr. Z. I was told the M12 may be the one for me. I found a very fair deal on a head. But will the volume leave me wishing I had more instead?
Ok I can't rhyme anymore...
I play a Blues Jr III now I recently sold a tweaker 15 combo I never had any problem playing them clean and loud on the Blues Jr I set the master to around 2:30 3 oclock and the volume to around 8:30 oclock and mic it and it works. Tweaker was about the same but maybe more like 1oclock master, 7 oclock gain
Would this guy be about the same clean loud at lower settings for P&W?
Thank you!
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Post by brickwalljackson on Oct 23, 2013 13:57:50 GMT -7
I don't know how loud you are used to playing, but mine is plenty loud. For reference, I normally play a Stangray (or two). . . .
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Post by ThemBones on Oct 23, 2013 15:54:41 GMT -7
I don't know how loud you are used to playing, but mine is plenty loud. For reference, I normally play a Stangray (or two). . . . Well I don't know exactly how loud it is either. But I guess to visualize i have the master volume at 3 oclockish I then only turn the regular volume to 9 oclockish So if I can put the m12 on say noonish and still be clean I would suspect it would be plenty loud. As an update I called the Dr Z number and much to my surprise talked to Dr Z himself which as really cool and he recommended M12 over the Ghia for what i was doing.
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Post by Jefferson on Oct 23, 2013 19:54:11 GMT -7
The speaker u choose will have a bit to do with how loud it is. Mine, with a celestion gold, is plenty loud. With the creamback, it's only about 65% as loud at the same settings.
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Post by bluzman on Oct 23, 2013 22:46:56 GMT -7
I sat in with a band that was playing outdoors on a big stage. While everything was mic'd up, I had no trouble being heard on the stage by anybody. I've been gigging it (in a 1x10 combo) in two bands and one is a loud 5 piece band and never once did I need more power or volume.
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Post by Maddog on Oct 24, 2013 5:19:05 GMT -7
I too play in a loud band. I play either a 30 watt Z-Wreck or the M12. The M12 can hold its own with the more powerful amps quite well... Go for it!
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Post by Abandoned on Oct 27, 2013 5:47:32 GMT -7
Yeah the M12 is pleanty loud and more than I'll ever need most likely, especially with ny Z-Best cab. You can check out my other posts about a big place I played in this past summer. It held up more than great and my volume was only on 10:30. If your having any trouble, change to a more efficient speaker. It'll do the trick.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Oct 27, 2013 7:46:40 GMT -7
The M12 is almost the "goldilocks" of volume among the Doc's offerings. For me, I could use it as a home/practice amp with a 1×12 and the volume knob low (and it sounds great there, by the way), with NO attenuator necessary. But clearly, there's guys around here using 'em on-stage with a 2×12 or even bigger, too.
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Post by gitaryzt1985 on Oct 29, 2013 6:53:19 GMT -7
I have an M12 combo with the Greenback speaker. I "downsized" from a Maz 18. At first, with the low input I thought I might have made a mistake. At noon, the amp is what I'd call bedroom friendly. I was shocked at how quiet it was. But, I cranked it up all the way and the volume came alive. You always get more volume and grit depending on how you set the tone knobs. Hi-Input is a different story...plenty loud for me. What I've found is that it has a wonderful useable volume sweep. From 0-noon, you can keep it bedroom friendly with the use of your guitars volume and from noon on can get pretty loud. In fact, the amp works so well with my volume knob that I forget I have the amp cranked sometimes! I rarely use the hi-input, but maybe I should. I've owned a Ghia, Maz 18, and now the M12 and I think the M12 has the best base tone of the 3. The Maz sounded good at a certain EQ setting for me, and the Ghia didn't have much headroom with 'buckers. The M12 has a wonderful round clean tone that reacts so well to what you give it. I like it better than the Two Rock I used to own as well.
The Greenback is a much quieter speaker and If I ever gig again, I'd like to get a head cabinet and 2x12 cab with some G12H30's.
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Post by crxsh on Oct 30, 2013 13:29:19 GMT -7
I was just going to come in here and start a thread asking about how loud the M12 was, but this thread and post are pretty helpful. I've been through a Z28, Maz 18 and Carmen Ghia and wound up having to attenuate them all pretty heavily w/ a Brake Lite and still run the volume under 9:00 to get it within manageable stage volumes for where I play. I also had a Maz 8 for a good stretch and put a low-efficiency Webter Blue Dog alnico in it ... and that made for a much better overall experience, until I got frustrated with all the knobs and extra features I wasn't using and sold it off to buy something simpler. So I'm still looking at the M12. Seems perfect because I'm a pedalboard guy, but I'm still hesitant. I sorta understand the nature of volume as it refers to wattage — and while speaker choice is certainly something to take into account — will I be happy with the M12? Can I run it low enough to get the sound guy off my back and still be happy with the tone? I have an M12 combo with the Greenback speaker. I "downsized" from a Maz 18. At first, with the low input I thought I might have made a mistake. At noon, the amp is what I'd call bedroom friendly. I was shocked at how quiet it was. But, I cranked it up all the way and the volume came alive. You always get more volume and grit depending on how you set the tone knobs. Hi-Input is a different story...plenty loud for me. What I've found is that it has a wonderful useable volume sweep. From 0-noon, you can keep it bedroom friendly with the use of your guitars volume and from noon on can get pretty loud. In fact, the amp works so well with my volume knob that I forget I have the amp cranked sometimes! I rarely use the hi-input, but maybe I should. I've owned a Ghia, Maz 18, and now the M12 and I think the M12 has the best base tone of the 3. The Maz sounded good at a certain EQ setting for me, and the Ghia didn't have much headroom with 'buckers. The M12 has a wonderful round clean tone that reacts so well to what you give it. I like it better than the Two Rock I used to own as well. The Greenback is a much quieter speaker and If I ever gig again, I'd like to get a head cabinet and 2x12 cab with some G12H30's.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Oct 30, 2013 13:46:10 GMT -7
The M12 has a wonderful round clean tone that reacts so well to what you give it. ^ I feel the same way about the "core" sound of the M12. So I'm still looking at the M12. Seems perfect because I'm a pedalboard guy, but I'm still hesitant. I sorta understand the nature of volume as it refers to wattage — and while speaker choice is certainly something to take into account — will I be happy with the M12? Can I run it low enough to get the sound guy off my back and still be happy with the tone? ^ I'd say yes you'd be quite happy with it, and so would your sound guy. In either the 1×10 or a 1×12 format, quite honestly.
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Post by ThemBones on Oct 31, 2013 10:29:48 GMT -7
I have had mine for a week now and used it once in the P&W setting. No volume issues at all. I ran the Volume around Noon and Bass/Treble at Noon.
I may juice it just a touch this week in order to get just a little more oomph and let the sound board turn my mic down just to have a little more stage presence.
I really like the sound but it is almost TOO pristine hi-fi if that makes any sense. Not looking to get rid of it because so but I could see myself using something such as a TS almost all the time just to give it a little hair.
Maybe I need to check knob settings?
EDIT: Wanted to add back that I have found the clean sound to be very, very nice at almost every volume even pretty low if that helps.
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Post by Abandoned on Nov 3, 2013 19:21:07 GMT -7
crxshYes I think it'll be a good fit. And in the least, it's the best shot or option to go for... seriously. Especially since you like Dr. Z's This amp's base tone is the best out of all Z's I've played. And most amps in general period.
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Post by crxsh on Nov 3, 2013 20:40:11 GMT -7
Good to know. I've got an M12 head and 1x12 Z cab coming in on Tuesday. Coming with a Scumback M75 and some nice glass, too -- so I'm pretty excited to have that.
I've been trying to get one of these since mid-July ... so I'm really hoping the wait was worth it.
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Post by Abandoned on Nov 3, 2013 21:27:10 GMT -7
Good to know. I've got an M12 head and 1x12 Z cab coming in on Tuesday. Coming with a Scumback M75 and some nice glass, too -- so I'm pretty excited to have that. I've been trying to get one of these since mid-July ... so I'm really hoping the wait was worth it. Oh cool, way to be patient. You'll be glad you went with a head and cab I think. I definitely am. I don't know anything about that speaker. Here's a couple tips: If it ends up being too loud, definitely try a less efficient speaker. On the low input, if it sounds pretty dry and quiet with the volume below 12 - that's normal. For me, I have to have the volume at Noon or higher on the low input for it to sound alive. The high input is a different story. With volume settings below noon or so I like having bass knob turned up past noon. As volume is brought above noon the bass can be dialed in not as high cuz the tone is getting fuller as volume is increased.
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