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Post by jcshirke on May 12, 2007 22:50:40 GMT -7
I asked this same question in the Maz Sr. forum, but I didn't get a reply. I thought I'd try here.
Does anyone think the Celestion Gold would go well with the G12H30? I'm going to get a Maz. Sr.,and I am pondering this option, but if anyone has tried this speaker configuration in any Z, please let me know.
I had planned on getting a Celestion Blue/G12H30 combo, but I thought I would at least look into the Gold as another possibility.
Thanks,
Jeff
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Post by taswegian on May 13, 2007 4:59:37 GMT -7
No experience with the combo but I would think they would work really well. Wonder if it would have to be an open back or whether it would still work in a Z-Best?
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Post by skydog958 on May 13, 2007 15:57:20 GMT -7
I forget the mag but in a C-Gold review it was paired with a G12H30 type and they described it as "high volume rock guitar sex". That's pretty good I guess lol.
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Post by skydog958 on May 13, 2007 15:58:59 GMT -7
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Post by jcshirke on May 13, 2007 17:52:02 GMT -7
Thanks a ton for the link to the review. This is going to be a tough decision, but you've helped a lot.
Thanks!
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Post by Jan on May 13, 2007 20:54:48 GMT -7
The reviews make it sound tempting, though that is pushing more power than I need by a lot. On the other hand, I did notice the other day that Divide by 13 65 Amps is using a Blue and G12H30 combination in their London combo. Quite a trend setter, that Dr Z guy, eh?
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Post by jcshirke on May 13, 2007 21:20:54 GMT -7
The reviews make it sound tempting, though that is pushing more power than I need by a lot. Yeah, that's my concern as well. If I go with the G12H30 and Celestion Blue, I will lose a bit of headroom when compared to G12H30/V30. But, if I go with G12H30 and Celestion Gold, then will that give me *too much* headroom, and I'd really have to push the amp to get some grit out of it? What I'm looking for is an amp that will give me some nice clean to sem-clean rhythm tones, but can also give up chunky, fat, grinding rhythm tones + some smooth lead tones--esp. with pedals. I have a Tone King Meteor II and a Germino Lead 55, and I am looking for an amp that will sit in between them--literally and sonically. I think the Maz Sr. is my ticket, but I need to decide on the speaker config. Jeff
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Post by Jan on May 13, 2007 21:42:30 GMT -7
Bentop's sound clips with a single Gold sound great. He is using an Air Brake and I think not getting close to the Gold's crunchy part.
I had longed hoped for a higher power Celestion Blue. I was thinking 30W would be perfect.
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Post by Jan on May 13, 2007 22:21:38 GMT -7
And then I read the ToneQuest Report's rave review of the Gold and the combination that they truly get a squelchy over is driving 2 Golds and 2 G12H30 speakers in a 4 x 12 cabinet with an AC50. Wide open each speaker is seeing less than 15 watts. You would think at 10W +/- a 50W Gold is far from its sweet zone. professional.celestion.com/guitar/media/CelestionGoldreview.pdf
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Post by jcshirke on May 13, 2007 22:37:45 GMT -7
And then I read the ToneQuest Report's rave review of the Gold and the combination that they truly get a squelchy over is driving 2 Golds and 2 G12H30 speakers in a 4 x 12 cabinet with an AC50. Wide open each speaker is seeing less than 15 watts. You would think at 10W +/- a 50W Gold is far from its sweet zone. professional.celestion.com/guitar/media/CelestionGoldreview.pdfSo, what do you guys think? C-Blue or Gold with a G12H30 (with a Maz Sr 2 x 12 combo in my case)? Would the differences be pretty subtle, or could they be dramatic?
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Post by taswegian on May 14, 2007 0:35:25 GMT -7
The reviews make it sound tempting, though that is pushing more power than I need by a lot. Yeah, that's my concern as well. If I go with the G12H30 and Celestion Blue, I will lose a bit of headroom when compared to G12H30/V30. But, if I go with G12H30 and Celestion Gold, then will that give me *too much* headroom, and I'd really have to push the amp to get some grit out of it? Jeff Don't forget a V30 isn't a 30 watt speaker, it's a 60 watt speaker and it's loud. I don't suspect the G12H30/Gold would have more headroom than the G12H30/V30 combo, I would think they'd be similar in efficiency and if anything slightly less headroom.
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Post by jcshirke on May 14, 2007 16:01:21 GMT -7
Don't forget a V30 isn't a 30 watt speaker, it's a 60 watt speaker and it's loud. I don't suspect the G12H30/Gold would have more headroom than the G12H30/V30 combo, I would think they'd be similar in efficiency and if anything slightly less headroom. Thanks. I actually did not know that the V30 was a 60 watt speaker. I learn something new here every day. Gracias.
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Post by (8^D) on May 14, 2007 17:22:07 GMT -7
If you're looking to keep in the 30 watt range, you might consider pairing the G12H30 with a Weber Alnico Blue 30 watt. Had that setup in my Jr 212 and it was delightful. Have a Weber 1230-55 (his G12H30, but with more low/low mid) paired with a 50 watt Alnico Blue in my Sr 212 at the moment. It's lovely! Don't forget a V30 isn't a 30 watt speaker, it's a 60 watt speaker and it's loud. I don't suspect the G12H30/Gold would have more headroom than the G12H30/V30 combo, I would think they'd be similar in efficiency and if anything slightly less headroom. Thanks. I actually did not know that the V30 was a 60 watt speaker. I learn something new here every day. Gracias.
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Post by jcshirke on May 14, 2007 22:18:38 GMT -7
If you're looking to keep in the 30 watt range, you might consider pairing the G12H30 with a Weber Alnico Blue 30 watt. Had that setup in my Jr 212 and it was delightful. Have a Weber 1230-55 (his G12H30, but with more low/low mid) paired with a 50 watt Alnico Blue in my Sr 212 at the moment. It's lovely! I've never heard the Weber speakers--any of them, actually. I know a lot of people like the Weber Blue, but I've heard others say that it doesn't quite measure up to the Celestion. I'm definitely not trying to start a pissing contest about Webers vs. Celestions, however. If anyone has some clips of the Weber's, I'd love to hear them. Thanks again for your input. Jeff
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Post by kledbet on May 14, 2007 23:03:09 GMT -7
There are some clips by JChance on the Weber websight. It gives you an idea of what they can do. Both the Celestion and Webers are very good no doubt about that. I'll throw in my two cents and say that the Webers are just as good as the Celestions, and better when it comes to models like the 1230-55 and several others.
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Post by (8^D) on May 15, 2007 6:52:59 GMT -7
I've never heard the Weber speakers--any of them, actually. I know a lot of people like the Weber Blue, but I've heard others say that it doesn't quite measure up to the Celestion. I'm definitely not trying to start a pissing contest about Webers vs. Celestions, however. If anyone has some clips of the Weber's, I'd love to hear them. Thanks again for your input. Jeff There are sound clips for a majority of the Weber speakers on the Weber site (http://www.tedweber.com/) Ted also has a mini-forum in the "Ask the Experts" area of the Z-Forum. If you have questions, he'll impart his knowledge/wisdom. He's a great guy! Weber's speakers are modeled after *vintage* Celestions, Jensens, etc. He's studied characteristics of the iconic speakers of the past and built his to emulate those sounds. They don't sound like current production Celestion/Jensen/etc models. Aside from stellar tones, quality build and great service, I find the nice thing about Weber is you can custom order speaker builds if you know exactly what you want - amount of dope, Pre-Rola treatments, wattage...and even magnet weights, etc. Looking for a 30 watt "Blue", he can do that. Want a Pre-Rola "Greenback", he's got that too. Want a "G12H30" without cone-cry...he's got it covered.
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Post by jcshirke on May 18, 2007 23:15:26 GMT -7
There are some clips by JChance on the Weber websight. It gives you an idea of what they can do. Both the Celestion and Webers are very good no doubt about that. I'll throw in my two cents and say that the Webers are just as good as the Celestions, and better when it comes to models like the 1230-55 and several others. I went looking for these sound clips tonight, but I didn't see them. I saw a couple clips here and there, but I didn't see any for the British/Celestion G12M or H speakers, which I found odd, since they are surely among the most popular. Maybe I need to try a new browser??
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Post by celestion101 on May 21, 2007 21:51:14 GMT -7
The Gold and G12H are great together. I use that or a Blue with a G12H in my Maz Sr. 2x12 combo with great results. I've always paired an Alnico with a G12H in my rigs. Some use a V30 instead.....it's all a matter of taste. Do it....you'll like it!
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Post by flem on May 27, 2007 0:05:26 GMT -7
Ok I was going to ask if the Gold50W would be a good replacement for my V30 in my Z-best cab with an H30, but after reading that article I'm scrambling for $ to buy one. Just wish they weren't so expensive.
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