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Post by mazmaster on Mar 10, 2013 20:42:19 GMT -7
Based on the following clips and a rare Sunday afternoon with an hour to spare, I have decided to move back to the stock 'Z' 1x12 combo cab for my M12 versus the very wonderful Forte 3D112. Both cabs house WGS Blackhawk HP speaks which were formally broken in with a variac, guitar loops *and* lots of loud gigs each. Both live and in the clips below (not to mention others), I hear more openness and balance with the 1x12 combo than with the Forte. I'm not sure why this didn't jump out at me when I first did this comparison. It's staring right at me in these clips and especially in the two rooms I tested in today. The 1x12 Z 1x12 combo sounds bigger and more resonant to me. I'm also moving back to Hi mode vs. Lo. Getting more chirp and touch sensitivity with OD pedals in Hi mode, especially the Dumble-style Jetter GSR used in the clips below. You can hear it throughout the 2nd clip, especially towards the end where the pick attack was varied to bring out the harmonics and sensitivity. The Lo mode in #1 sounds kinda' flat by comparison. What do you hear? 1.) M12 Lo Mode, Forte 3D112: (Comparison section starts at 0:33) soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=119811702.) M12 Hi Mode, 'Z' 1x12 Combo: soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=11793615
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Post by zm12 on Mar 10, 2013 22:02:44 GMT -7
Both sound good! You can hear a bigger difference when you're in the same room as the amp, hey? was always interested in those Jetter pedals. Never played one in person but it sounds like its working for you.
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Post by mazmaster on Mar 11, 2013 21:43:36 GMT -7
Both sound good! You can hear a bigger difference when you're in the same room as the amp, hey? was always interested in those Jetter pedals. Never played one in person but it sounds like its working for you. I've only tried the Jetter Gain Stage Red but I've compared it to a bunch of other Dumble style pedals, as well as the four Dumble style amps I've owned/own and it really cops the tone and feel of the amps, obviously being colored by the amp it's run into. But, of all the other assorted pedals I've tried, the original Jetter GSRs just seem to be the best match for bridge humbuckers for what I'm after....incredibly close to my existing Glaswerks and Quinn D-styles.
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Post by Abandoned on Mar 11, 2013 22:16:04 GMT -7
I really like the HI input mode... Brighter and livelier is how is describe it. Yes the LO input is more full in comparison... but the LO also treats OD pedals nicely but differently. I feel like the LO input mode makes OD pedals rounder and fatter due to the lessened brightness compares to the HI input mode. My wish would be to run in HI input mode but its too loud for where I've been playing lately.
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Post by Abandoned on Mar 11, 2013 22:16:31 GMT -7
I'm also very interested in trying a Jetter Red sometime.
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Post by zm12 on Mar 11, 2013 23:23:45 GMT -7
Video of the jetter red and gold shift in to an M12 on you tube but i guess everybody here has seen all the videos of this amp??
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Post by mazmaster on Mar 12, 2013 8:11:01 GMT -7
I agree the Lo mode is generally less bright and rounds off OD pedals, giving them the perception of maybe sounding fuller and smoother. But, in my own clips of both, the dynamics, liveliness and Dumble "chirp" are reduced or eliminated, producing a flatter, more monolithic tone. Standing alone with in amp in a room, Lo mode is pleasing because it's less aggressive but I much prefer every clip I've made of the Hi mode when in a band context. It has more character and personality.
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Post by mazmaster on Mar 12, 2013 8:11:53 GMT -7
Will have to check out that video ZM12. Have not seen it! Thanks.
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Post by Abandoned on Mar 12, 2013 13:49:57 GMT -7
Will have to check out that video ZM12. Have not seen it! Thanks. I've seen it - it's from a guitar shop. It's a good video. I need to try one out. Will soon.
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Post by Abandoned on Mar 12, 2013 13:51:14 GMT -7
I agree the Lo mode is generally less bright and rounds off OD pedals, giving them the perception of maybe sounding fuller and smoother. But, in my own clips of both, the dynamics, liveliness and Dumble "chirp" are reduced or eliminated, producing a flatter, more monolithic tone. Standing alone with in amp in a room, Lo mode is pleasing because it's less aggressive but I much prefer every clip I've made of the Hi mode when in a band context. It has more character and personality. I understand what you're saying. I'm gonna try running it on HI again, I miss it.
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Post by stu on Mar 12, 2013 20:21:58 GMT -7
damn I'm lovin the following: - Lo mode, volume about 12:00, T&B around 2:00 - an array of Lovepdals - into two Dr Z 1x12's loaded with Legacy H&M
Sounds amazing
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Post by mazmaster on Mar 12, 2013 21:26:53 GMT -7
I agree the Lo mode is generally less bright and rounds off OD pedals, giving them the perception of maybe sounding fuller and smoother. But, in my own clips of both, the dynamics, liveliness and Dumble "chirp" are reduced or eliminated, producing a flatter, more monolithic tone. Standing alone with in amp in a room, Lo mode is pleasing because it's less aggressive but I much prefer every clip I've made of the Hi mode when in a band context. It has more character and personality. I understand what you're saying. I'm gonna try running it on HI again, I miss it. Gotta' try it again, man. I tried running mine quieter tonight and didn't notice much loss of tone. Think you could still play lower volumes on HI mode. Just a matter of turning Volume down more. I don't know what it is but I feel like I'm playing an almost different amp right now. Setting the M12 combo on two 2x4s on the floor but the 2x4s have these rubber feet attached which were designed for speakers, to isolate them from the floor. But, the amp still couples in with the room in such a way that it sounds like the whole room is part of the amp. Totally sick. Let's you run the amp louder too, even if you're standing way out front. I have to make some clips of the latest settings and the way I'm setting this up now. I cannot imagine getting better tone than this for what I'm after. It's just incredible!
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Post by doctorice on Mar 13, 2013 5:12:44 GMT -7
Here's the YT video mentioned above:
Nice batch of Zs in that shop!
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Post by mazmaster on Mar 13, 2013 21:20:53 GMT -7
Thanks for the clip DR! Very cool. From what I've read, the Red Shift is a bit different than the original Gain Stage Red. It sounds different in this video but it could obviously be other variables. But, yes, what a lineup of Zs there!!! Would love to spend some time in that place!!!
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Post by Abandoned on Mar 18, 2013 20:43:09 GMT -7
I went back to the hi input today and gave it a try. Awesome. Glad I went back. Lively, better with overdrives and gettin more gain as well. Still fat.
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Post by mazmaster on Mar 19, 2013 20:45:51 GMT -7
Exactly the way I felt too when going back. Glad I recorded those gigs because it really gave me an objective stand-back comparison in context.
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