dave
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Post by dave on Jun 13, 2006 14:09:31 GMT -7
Another bout of Ebay madness and I just bought a 1x12 closed back cab to go with either the Ghia or the Z-28. I doubt anyone over the pond has heard of the make - Mongotone - not many have here either! Mongotone make custom solid mahogany cabs with nitro finishes - check out www.mongotone.co.uk/ - they look v cool and have a growing reputation. I digress - the cab is loaded with a Celestion Vintage 30 but this is not a driver I'd have thought of, very efficient but with a bright reputation - the Ghia and Z-28 are bright enough as it is! I'll give it a go of course but just wondered if anyone uses the Vintage 30 and what you think of it?
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Post by billyguitar on Jun 13, 2006 14:11:42 GMT -7
Wasn't Mongo Davey Crockett's buddy on the TV show? Those are sure purty cabs. I'm not worthy. There's is a theory that bare cabs sound better. Hopefully you can tell us? I think it's discussed on the Air Tight Garage amp website?
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Post by dave on Jun 13, 2006 14:35:43 GMT -7
Marc is from California as it turns out and makes the cabs up in Scotland. I asked about the name - he mentioned something about Blazing Saddles....
This was a real bargain. A real bargain. Cant wait to try it.
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Post by Telemanic on Jun 13, 2006 15:39:33 GMT -7
Personaly i find V-30's a little fatiguing sometimes, and prefer a little less mid, upper mids, and more balance. My current fave is the Emi Legend 121,...awesome !!
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Post by zane on Jun 13, 2006 19:50:16 GMT -7
Personaly i find V-30's a little fatiguing sometimes, and prefer a little less mid, upper mids, and more balance. My current fave is the Emi Legend 121,...awesome !! Yeah I put an Eminence 125 I a cab & it sounds MTY good...
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Post by jbro on Jun 13, 2006 22:55:26 GMT -7
I had a Vintage 30 in my Mazerati... I was getting frustrated with the amp because it was so midrangey - it had a piercing upper-mid spike and was lacking in everything else. I just replaced it with a G12H30, and it's like I got a new amp. Everything is more natural sounding, smoother, bigger.
That was my only experience with a "new" Vintage 30, and as you can probably tell.. you won't see me playing through one again.
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I have a couple "bare" cabs too. One 12" mahogany from Emery Sound, and a 10" walnut cab I built a few years ago. Wood definately adds its own thing to the sound, too. I find that at low volumes they sound amazing, but when you crank them the resonance sort of interferes.. hard to explain. It all depends on what you're after, though - it may be just what you're looking for. Those Mongotone cabs look nice!
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Post by billyguitar on Jun 13, 2006 23:10:27 GMT -7
I thought I had read that the purpose of the Vintage 30 was to emulate the sound of a 4 x 12 box. The phase cancellation issues of a 4 x 12 box result in a sound with a little suckuot in the mids and sounds pushed up in the upper mids, which is exactly what a V-30 does. I prefer a more neutral sound than a V-30 but I can understand it's appeal.
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Post by dave on Jun 14, 2006 1:07:07 GMT -7
I have got my doubts about the V-30 but we'll see. Maybe the cab will smooth things out a bit. There was a review in Guitarist magazine a while back who echoed jbro's comment on expecting resonances at high volume but they didn't think it was a problem with the Mongotones. I keep saying 'we'll see'. We'll see! Thanks for the comments.
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Post by BW on Jun 14, 2006 3:23:57 GMT -7
Mongo only pawn... in game of life. Any V30 I EVER had would rub and produce scratchy 'ghost notes' roughly an octave down from certain notes I played, but only when the volume was WAY up, and the note was picked pretty hard... I notice this w/ my Zbest but my V30 kit-reconed Vox Bulldogs do it too. Just part of the program w/ inefficient speakers that sound good when ya hit 'em hard I guess.
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Post by billyguitar on Jun 14, 2006 4:41:34 GMT -7
That was probably cone cry or as Weber calls it, edge yowl, don't you think? Celestion's are bad about that. We hates it to pieces.
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Post by BW on Jun 14, 2006 8:12:34 GMT -7
Yeah, and the marketing dep't at Celestion tried to pass it off as being 'reminiscent of the vintage amps of yesteryear...' So, bad sound is ...good, right? Send me 4 more.
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Post by Curt on Jun 14, 2006 9:39:33 GMT -7
I like V-30's just fine...guess the ringing in my ears drowns out the bad stuff !
I have two Z 1x12 babs with V-30's and dig them, loud but good for what I do...guess I'm just used to them?!?!?
I used the V-30 with a Ghia, Z/28 and 66, and it really wakes up my little Sewell and Princeton as an ext. cab.
Granted, these are older and well worn in speakers.
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Post by BW on Jun 14, 2006 11:25:59 GMT -7
They DO sound great! its just when ya hit 'em real hard, they sorta go nuts for a minute. I notice it mostly in a closed back cab.
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Post by Curt on Jun 14, 2006 13:07:08 GMT -7
They DO sound great! its just when ya hit 'em real hard, they sorta go nuts for a minute. I notice it mostly in a closed back cab. Agreed, "No Bueno" in a closed cab, but in an open back 1x12 cab with a lower wattage amp I dig 'em Hey Bud, How the heck ya been? Seen Milsap "Cattin' about" lately?
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Post by BW on Jun 14, 2006 14:30:55 GMT -7
I've not seen 'Hide nor Hair' of him. That unruly feline musta made a beeline to a new fenceline I guess?!
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Post by zane on Jun 14, 2006 14:37:38 GMT -7
I've not seen 'Hide nor Hair' of him. That unruly feline musta made a beeline to a new fenceline I guess?! ;^)
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Post by Bill on Jun 14, 2006 14:59:08 GMT -7
I heard somewhere he was recently spotted backstage getting Nicole's autograph at one of Keith's shows.
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Post by anacephalic on Jun 25, 2006 14:55:50 GMT -7
i've got two in my original rx combo and there are days they are spikey as hell and i want to get rid of them or at least swap out one for a Gh30. Then i haul it to my drummers treated studio and they sound great. Ditto for outside gigs. I wish there was a shop with a ton of speakers that one could haul the old amp to and try speakers all day. buying speakers by guesswork sounds like opportunity to get lucky or to get stuck on the hamster wheel of tone search.
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Post by billyguitar on Jun 25, 2006 16:01:11 GMT -7
One old music store in town here used to have an 8 x 12 box with all different speakers and a footswitch so you could hear them one at a time. That was a very good thing. You could instantly tell what you liked.
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Post by guitarboy02451 on Jun 26, 2006 2:44:01 GMT -7
My Ghia has V30 in it. Personally I like it. It has a very classic tone.
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